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> Talk too much about these things and you're probably getting sent to prison. This trope is getting a bit ridiculous. For the record, the event that inspired

> Talk too much about these things and you're probably getting sent to prison. This trope is getting a bit ridiculous. For the record, the event that inspired the notion that complaining online could get you sent to person involved individuals encouraging the public to burn down council offices[1] and a hotel[2]. Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-encouraging-violent-disorder-southport-2025-01-14/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-e... [2]: https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/news/news/2024/august/jail-for-man-who-encouraged-hotel-arson-attack/ https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/n... PS. I am nonetheless aware that we burnt down the White House. On behalf of Britain, sorry about that.

Duwensatzaj 2y ago
Google’s not pulling it up but I swear I read about police visitations for immigration criticism that didn’t involve calls for murder or arson. The UK arrests people for writing the n-word on Twitter https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-racism-x-police-charged-b2582083.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-ra... or praying silently near abortion clinics. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo so it’s not exactly a stretch.
- Xmd5a 2y ago
  Here's one: As relayed by Russian propaganda outlets: https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-facebook-comments-predates-british-protests-police-say-2024-08-16/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-faceboo... >VERDICT Missing context. The clip shows a June 2024 arrest, according to Devon and Cornwall Police, and predates the Southport knife attack by around a month. Hence not debunked (a strategy we're used too). Times article on the subject: https://archive.ph/3OkeG https://archive.ph/3OkeG Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls >More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media and other online forums, a rise of nearly 50 per cent in two years, according to figures obtained by The Times. >About half of the investigations were dropped before prosecutions were brought, however, leading to criticism from civil liberties campaigners that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech. >Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said the Crown Prosecution Service emphasised section 127 was to be used only in “extreme circumstances”. “But the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being harassed ... attacked or threatened.”
wakawaka28 2y ago
This gaslighting is getting a bit ridiculous. The oppression did not start in the wake of Southport, it has been in place for years. But I'm going to talk about Southport first. People were arrested for pointing out that the Southport murderer was a Muslim terrorist. Well guess what, he was: https://news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbings-suspect-faces-separate-terror-charge-after-ricin-and-al-qaeda-manual-found-at-home-13243980 https://news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbings-suspect-faces... The media said it was all disinformation and put forth many straw man claims to smear people who are fed up with their government covering for the crimes for immigrants. >Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it. I'm not defending conspiracy to commit arson. It is a fact that people have been jailed for far less serious things. I heard some reports that people were jailed for recording the riots or even posting about the existence of the riots. Nevermind arson, Britain jails people for flame wars online: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/ https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-a... And that is OLD, and nothing has changed. I hear regular reports of absurd arrests coming out of the UK. As the article says, "section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, [...] makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”" and that can be and regularly is used to punch down on people expressing simple grievances. It is entirely subjective what causes "annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety" or is intended to do so. Our mere existence probably causes annoyance and inconvenience to some people. Got a problem with immigrants who don't respect your culture and disproportionately commit all the crimes? Well, it is going to cause some brown people to be anxious if you talk about it, so off to the slammer you go. That is truly how it goes, unless you're in a good position to fend off political attacks.
- switch007 2y ago
  > This gaslighting is getting a bit ridiculous Totally agree They always take the extreme part of your posts, find a minor counter claim, then imply we have total free speech
- youngtaff 2y ago
  He wasn't a Muslim he was brought up a Christian! The rumours were he was an asylum seeker who came over on a boat But as you end up quoting Breitbart what hope is there

Duwensatzaj 2y ago

Google’s not pulling it up but I swear I read about police visitations for immigration criticism that didn’t involve calls for murder or arson. The UK arrests people for writing the n-word on Twitter https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-racism-x-police-charged-b2582083.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-ra... or praying silently near abortion clinics. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo so it’s not exactly a stretch.

Xmd5a 2y ago
Here's one: As relayed by Russian propaganda outlets: https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-facebook-comments-predates-british-protests-police-say-2024-08-16/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-faceboo... >VERDICT Missing context. The clip shows a June 2024 arrest, according to Devon and Cornwall Police, and predates the Southport knife attack by around a month. Hence not debunked (a strategy we're used too). Times article on the subject: https://archive.ph/3OkeG https://archive.ph/3OkeG Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls >More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media and other online forums, a rise of nearly 50 per cent in two years, according to figures obtained by The Times. >About half of the investigations were dropped before prosecutions were brought, however, leading to criticism from civil liberties campaigners that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech. >Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said the Crown Prosecution Service emphasised section 127 was to be used only in “extreme circumstances”. “But the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being harassed ... attacked or threatened.”

wakawaka28 2y ago

This gaslighting is getting a bit ridiculous. The oppression did not start in the wake of Southport, it has been in place for years. But I'm going to talk about Southport first. People were arrested for pointing out that the Southport murderer was a Muslim terrorist. Well guess what, he was: https://news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbings-suspect-faces-separate-terror-charge-after-ricin-and-al-qaeda-manual-found-at-home-13243980 https://news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbings-suspect-faces... The media said it was all disinformation and put forth many straw man claims to smear people who are fed up with their government covering for the crimes for immigrants. >Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it. I'm not defending conspiracy to commit arson. It is a fact that people have been jailed for far less serious things. I heard some reports that people were jailed for recording the riots or even posting about the existence of the riots. Nevermind arson, Britain jails people for flame wars online: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/ https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-a... And that is OLD, and nothing has changed. I hear regular reports of absurd arrests coming out of the UK. As the article says, "section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, [...] makes it illegal to intentionally “cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another”" and that can be and regularly is used to punch down on people expressing simple grievances. It is entirely subjective what causes "annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety" or is intended to do so. Our mere existence probably causes annoyance and inconvenience to some people. Got a problem with immigrants who don't respect your culture and disproportionately commit all the crimes? Well, it is going to cause some brown people to be anxious if you talk about it, so off to the slammer you go. That is truly how it goes, unless you're in a good position to fend off political attacks.

switch007 2y ago
> This gaslighting is getting a bit ridiculous Totally agree They always take the extreme part of your posts, find a minor counter claim, then imply we have total free speech
youngtaff 2y ago
He wasn't a Muslim he was brought up a Christian! The rumours were he was an asylum seeker who came over on a boat But as you end up quoting Breitbart what hope is there