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Keep importing skilled workers. I'm sure it will work out for you eventually. /s Seriously, I feel bad for our British bretheren. The UK government is seemingl

Keep importing skilled workers. I'm sure it will work out for you eventually. /s Seriously, I feel bad for our British bretheren. The UK government is seemingly out of control and actively working against the people. There are also long-running geopolitical trends like outsourcing to contend with. Talk too much about these things and you're probably getting sent to prison. It's time for the US to bring some democracy to the UK lol.

bdangubic 2y ago
you switch UK and USA in your post and you are right
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  Lol the US is not without its problems but the UK is worse, hands down.
  - Xiol32 2y ago
    Try unfollowing Musk for a bit. It'll do you good.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      Try unfollowing CNN, MSNBC, and BBC for a bit. It'll do you good.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        that’s like a US election, eh? you drunk at 2:00am and there’s two of the ugliest people on Earth at the bar but you know you taking one of the home :) I’d still pick MSM over fucking Elon :)
        wakawaka28 2y ago
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        bdangubic 2y ago
        “cool but somewhat flawed” is interesting way to describe a person who was balding in his 20’s and could not get laid and who now has more complexes than just about any human that ever lived… yea, give me fucking CNN every day of the week and twice on sunday
        wakawaka28 2y ago
        That dude who was balding in his 20s has had more kids and screwed more supermodels than you can shake a stick at. He is overseeing R&D on some of the coolest products of our time as well. Everyone was cool with Elon until he dared be a little bit conservative, and they thought they could bully him into going with the Democrat program. He single-handedly demolished the propaganda empire that was in place before, ushering in a return to sanity. I can hardly watch any MSM now because they are all obvious propagandists. What really surprises me is that anyone takes them seriously after all the banana republic stunts they tried to pull on Trump and the rest of us over the last 12-15 years (or more).
seabass-labrax 2y ago
> Talk too much about these things and you're probably getting sent to prison. This trope is getting a bit ridiculous. For the record, the event that inspired the notion that complaining online could get you sent to person involved individuals encouraging the public to burn down council offices[1] and a hotel[2]. Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-encouraging-violent-disorder-southport-2025-01-14/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-e... [2]: https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/news/news/2024/august/jail-for-man-who-encouraged-hotel-arson-attack/ https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/n... PS. I am nonetheless aware that we burnt down the White House. On behalf of Britain, sorry about that.
- Duwensatzaj 2y ago
  Google’s not pulling it up but I swear I read about police visitations for immigration criticism that didn’t involve calls for murder or arson. The UK arrests people for writing the n-word on Twitter https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-racism-x-police-charged-b2582083.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-ra... or praying silently near abortion clinics. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo so it’s not exactly a stretch.
  - Xmd5a 2y ago
    Here's one: As relayed by Russian propaganda outlets: https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-facebook-comments-predates-british-protests-police-say-2024-08-16/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-faceboo... >VERDICT Missing context. The clip shows a June 2024 arrest, according to Devon and Cornwall Police, and predates the Southport knife attack by around a month. Hence not debunked (a strategy we're used too). Times article on the subject: https://archive.ph/3OkeG https://archive.ph/3OkeG Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls >More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media and other online forums, a rise of nearly 50 per cent in two years, according to figures obtained by The Times. >About half of the investigations were dropped before prosecutions were brought, however, leading to criticism from civil liberties campaigners that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech. >Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said the Crown Prosecution Service emphasised section 127 was to be used only in “extreme circumstances”. “But the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being harassed ... attacked or threatened.”
Earw0rm 2y ago
You've got the wrong end of this one. UK has long pursued a strategy of "social mobility", which is shorthand for: some places will be shit, and if you're hardworking or clever you can and should leave. So the bright, capable people from white working-class towns either joined the middle classes or skipped the country entirely a generation or two ago. Leaving behind a bunch of people for whom no wage will tempt them to London to do the hard, menial work needed to keep the city running. So on that front we have no choice but to import. The people left behind either have caring responsibilities that means they can't move, long term health problems and disabilities, or just lack the basic work ethic, motivation and so on to get on in life. Ultimately who's going to mop the floors at City banks and so on? It won't be the bright, ambitious kids of second and third generation immigrant families, not if they can at all help it, nor the sons and daughters of white middle classes, whether that's metropolitan elites or the trades and services people. (This, btw, is why immigrants are generally hard working: "people willing to relocate their lives halfway around the world to an often hostile culture where they'll never truly be at home" is a strong filter for people with drive and motivation. Those lacking it stay home, regardless of which host and guest culture we're talking about).
- GasVeteran 2y ago
  There is a constant narrative that is pushed on everyone that immigration is necessary because people won't do the menial jobs. There is a huge number of problems with this this narrative. * Menial jobs were/are normally done in the past by younger more inexperienced people. These were usually done part time while in education. This allows younger people to build basic competency and money management skills. They aren't supposed to be jobs for life and everyone knew this in the past. By constantly importing people from to do these jobs, you stop younger people from building up this basic competency. This stuff is important btw, as I know many people who never had these jobs and had the bank of Mum and Dad pay for them for far too long, they don't know how to manage money. * A lot of more menial jobs are done by people that are part retired. When I was younger I worked with many part retired people that had a stressful job and moved away and part retired and were on the checkouts out the supermarket, cleaning, pushing trolleys or delivering things. * A lot of immigrants seem to do jobs like Uber Eats, Deliveroo and other zero hour contract food delivery jobs. If you don't believe me, go to your local McDonalds at 8am on a Saturday morning and every driver picking up food will be a immigrant of one sort or another. These are jobs where people are literally too lazy to drive 5 minutes to the McDonalds drive through on a Saturday morning. I am normally very pro-free market however do we really need to immigrants to do these jobs? I don't use Uber Eats and I have no idea how much it costs, but I think the guy up the road that has a small mansion a Jag and Two Teslas can probably afford to pay a bit more for delivery. * I am from the South of the UK. If you aren't from London or another big city, London is one of the most horrid places to visit, work. I spent maybe a 4 months working as a freelancer in London (travelling in). People are downright rude, everything is a ripoff. I'd rather be slightly worse off and live here than be "better" off an live in London.
JaDogg 2y ago
Could you elaborate further? I am a skilled immigrant in the UK. I pay my taxes and have not used any benefits. I even pay for my medication; the only free service I have used is a GP appointment or a hospital scan, which was likely covered by the IHS (Immigration Health Surcharge). What have I done to make the country worse off?
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  It's nothing against you personally. I'm sure many immigrants are good people and some scarce skilled workers must be imported. But there seems to be a desire from the top to import too many foreign workers across the West. This contributes to the low wages and lack of opportunities described in the article. The UK also has outsourced a lot of manufacturing, which further worsens the job market. I don't know how many hardware engineers are imported unnecessarily or else part of "offshoring," but by all indications I've seen personally the number may be significant. This is from an outside US perspective, so take it with a grain of salt.
constantcrying 2y ago
If you are opening your job market to the entire world, the average salary for your workers will become the global average salary. It is pretty trivial to see that this is exactly what is going to happen and the weighted average of UK and Indian wages are pretty close to Indian wages.

bdangubic 2y ago

you switch UK and USA in your post and you are right

wakawaka28 2y ago
Lol the US is not without its problems but the UK is worse, hands down.
- Xiol32 2y ago
  Try unfollowing Musk for a bit. It'll do you good.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    Try unfollowing CNN, MSNBC, and BBC for a bit. It'll do you good.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      that’s like a US election, eh? you drunk at 2:00am and there’s two of the ugliest people on Earth at the bar but you know you taking one of the home :) I’d still pick MSM over fucking Elon :)
      - wakawaka28 2y ago
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        bdangubic 2y ago
        “cool but somewhat flawed” is interesting way to describe a person who was balding in his 20’s and could not get laid and who now has more complexes than just about any human that ever lived… yea, give me fucking CNN every day of the week and twice on sunday
        wakawaka28 2y ago
        That dude who was balding in his 20s has had more kids and screwed more supermodels than you can shake a stick at. He is overseeing R&D on some of the coolest products of our time as well. Everyone was cool with Elon until he dared be a little bit conservative, and they thought they could bully him into going with the Democrat program. He single-handedly demolished the propaganda empire that was in place before, ushering in a return to sanity. I can hardly watch any MSM now because they are all obvious propagandists. What really surprises me is that anyone takes them seriously after all the banana republic stunts they tried to pull on Trump and the rest of us over the last 12-15 years (or more).

seabass-labrax 2y ago

> Talk too much about these things and you're probably getting sent to prison. This trope is getting a bit ridiculous. For the record, the event that inspired the notion that complaining online could get you sent to person involved individuals encouraging the public to burn down council offices[1] and a hotel[2]. Conspiracy to commit arson has been one of the most serious offences in English law for centuries, and that's even before you add the murder part to it. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-encouraging-violent-disorder-southport-2025-01-14/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/man-jailed-7-half-years-e... [2]: https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/news/news/2024/august/jail-for-man-who-encouraged-hotel-arson-attack/ https://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/news/nottinghamshire/n... PS. I am nonetheless aware that we burnt down the White House. On behalf of Britain, sorry about that.

Duwensatzaj 2y ago
Google’s not pulling it up but I swear I read about police visitations for immigration criticism that didn’t involve calls for murder or arson. The UK arrests people for writing the n-word on Twitter https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-racism-x-police-charged-b2582083.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-twitter-ra... or praying silently near abortion clinics. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo so it’s not exactly a stretch.
- Xmd5a 2y ago
  Here's one: As relayed by Russian propaganda outlets: https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1820724008637063664 Reuters fact check: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-facebook-comments-predates-british-protests-police-say-2024-08-16/ https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-faceboo... >VERDICT Missing context. The clip shows a June 2024 arrest, according to Devon and Cornwall Police, and predates the Southport knife attack by around a month. Hence not debunked (a strategy we're used too). Times article on the subject: https://archive.ph/3OkeG https://archive.ph/3OkeG Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls >More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media and other online forums, a rise of nearly 50 per cent in two years, according to figures obtained by The Times. >About half of the investigations were dropped before prosecutions were brought, however, leading to criticism from civil liberties campaigners that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech. >Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said the Crown Prosecution Service emphasised section 127 was to be used only in “extreme circumstances”. “But the problem is ‘grossly offensive’ is not something you should normally be prosecuted for. It’s not showing harm to other people. It’s not showing that somebody is being harassed ... attacked or threatened.”

Earw0rm 2y ago

You've got the wrong end of this one. UK has long pursued a strategy of "social mobility", which is shorthand for: some places will be shit, and if you're hardworking or clever you can and should leave. So the bright, capable people from white working-class towns either joined the middle classes or skipped the country entirely a generation or two ago. Leaving behind a bunch of people for whom no wage will tempt them to London to do the hard, menial work needed to keep the city running. So on that front we have no choice but to import. The people left behind either have caring responsibilities that means they can't move, long term health problems and disabilities, or just lack the basic work ethic, motivation and so on to get on in life. Ultimately who's going to mop the floors at City banks and so on? It won't be the bright, ambitious kids of second and third generation immigrant families, not if they can at all help it, nor the sons and daughters of white middle classes, whether that's metropolitan elites or the trades and services people. (This, btw, is why immigrants are generally hard working: "people willing to relocate their lives halfway around the world to an often hostile culture where they'll never truly be at home" is a strong filter for people with drive and motivation. Those lacking it stay home, regardless of which host and guest culture we're talking about).

GasVeteran 2y ago
There is a constant narrative that is pushed on everyone that immigration is necessary because people won't do the menial jobs. There is a huge number of problems with this this narrative. * Menial jobs were/are normally done in the past by younger more inexperienced people. These were usually done part time while in education. This allows younger people to build basic competency and money management skills. They aren't supposed to be jobs for life and everyone knew this in the past. By constantly importing people from to do these jobs, you stop younger people from building up this basic competency. This stuff is important btw, as I know many people who never had these jobs and had the bank of Mum and Dad pay for them for far too long, they don't know how to manage money. * A lot of more menial jobs are done by people that are part retired. When I was younger I worked with many part retired people that had a stressful job and moved away and part retired and were on the checkouts out the supermarket, cleaning, pushing trolleys or delivering things. * A lot of immigrants seem to do jobs like Uber Eats, Deliveroo and other zero hour contract food delivery jobs. If you don't believe me, go to your local McDonalds at 8am on a Saturday morning and every driver picking up food will be a immigrant of one sort or another. These are jobs where people are literally too lazy to drive 5 minutes to the McDonalds drive through on a Saturday morning. I am normally very pro-free market however do we really need to immigrants to do these jobs? I don't use Uber Eats and I have no idea how much it costs, but I think the guy up the road that has a small mansion a Jag and Two Teslas can probably afford to pay a bit more for delivery. * I am from the South of the UK. If you aren't from London or another big city, London is one of the most horrid places to visit, work. I spent maybe a 4 months working as a freelancer in London (travelling in). People are downright rude, everything is a ripoff. I'd rather be slightly worse off and live here than be "better" off an live in London.

JaDogg 2y ago

Could you elaborate further? I am a skilled immigrant in the UK. I pay my taxes and have not used any benefits. I even pay for my medication; the only free service I have used is a GP appointment or a hospital scan, which was likely covered by the IHS (Immigration Health Surcharge). What have I done to make the country worse off?

wakawaka28 2y ago
It's nothing against you personally. I'm sure many immigrants are good people and some scarce skilled workers must be imported. But there seems to be a desire from the top to import too many foreign workers across the West. This contributes to the low wages and lack of opportunities described in the article. The UK also has outsourced a lot of manufacturing, which further worsens the job market. I don't know how many hardware engineers are imported unnecessarily or else part of "offshoring," but by all indications I've seen personally the number may be significant. This is from an outside US perspective, so take it with a grain of salt.

constantcrying 2y ago

If you are opening your job market to the entire world, the average salary for your workers will become the global average salary. It is pretty trivial to see that this is exactly what is going to happen and the weighted average of UK and Indian wages are pretty close to Indian wages.