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Preach. My friend is a gifted passionate Aerospace engineer (top in his specific stream at Cambridge) and basically is withering away working for the above 2 fi
by GamerAlias 2y ago
Preach. My friend is a gifted passionate Aerospace engineer (top in his specific stream at Cambridge) and basically is withering away working for the above 2 firms. The location is grim being far from others and generally far from other young exciting people. Additionally in his org, there just isn't a sense of excitement/ urgency which leaves him with little to do. Prioritising career for a career that's not there
Whilst others working in software (myself included) can have a far greater quality of life and salary working in London.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoWait what. Quality of life in rural UK is worse than rat race of London?
- wbl 2y agoWhen a man is tired of London he is tired of life.
- rgmerk 2y agoOr maybe he’s just tired of a specific kind of life which might be fun in your early twenties but is less appealing when you’ve got kids and can’t enjoy the nightlife and culture anyway.
- sebmellen 2y agoHow do you get kids if you can’t meet someone your age to partner up with?
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- Earw0rm 2y agoPlenty of culture isn't gigs and nightclubs - London isn't terribly good, for its population size and economy, for those anyway. Think museums, parks, galleries, theatre, exhibitions. Granted it's not the only city with those, the problem the UK has is that its small, desirable cities are unable to grow or reinvent themselves. Cambridge and Bristol should be ideal for hardware startups, but the cost of both housing and working space is insane for small, provincial cities, partly because NIMBYism and partly because building infrastructure is absurdly expensive when you're constantly having to work around 200 year old buildings and 800yo city plans.
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- dagw 2y agoyou’ve got kids and can’t enjoy the nightlife and culture anyway Having kids while living in the centre of a large city is great, as there is so much culture that is aimed at parents and children. When my kid was small we went to museums and concerts and events all the time that were aimed at kids. There were also several different parks, playgrounds, pools and similar activities to choose from all within easy access. Plus once the kids get slightly older they can use public transport to get around and you don't have to drive them anywhere near as much as if you live in the suburbs.
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- selimthegrim 2y agoNever contributing to what?
- baud147258 2y ago> Having kids while living in the center of a large city is great If you can afford a flat that's big enough for you and the kids
- walthamstow 2y agoWe drop the kids off at my parents and go for dinner at any one of hundreds of top quality restaurants. Can't do that in Kettering.
- nobodywillobsrv 2y agoOr tired of 63% income tax rates in the middle of the income bands
- walthamstow 2y agoDoes London have a different tax policy to where Jaguar Land Rover is based?
- GasVeteran 2y agoYou have to earn (much) more to have the same standard of living as outside of it. Therefore you pay more income tax and the cost of living is higher anyway.
- twic 2y agoSkill issue, just earn a bit more then you're back to 47%.
- lmm 2y agoAbsolutely. No public transport, almost no culture, and housing anywhere nice is even less available than in London. For a young person working at one of these firms, where can you live? Where could you meet someone to date? What can you even do at the weekend?
- timthorn 2y agoJLR is based in the metro area of Britain's second city. It's not exactly the middle of nowhere. Rolls Royce is in Derby, on the edge of the Peak District with much to offer. Much cheaper housing with more space available. And unlike in London, driving a car isn't hounded by terminal congestion.
- porker 2y agoJLR Gaydon is not in the metro area of Birmingham. It's in nice countryside and near a motorway which helps, but it's a fair commute out of Birmingham at rush hour to there. The nice surrounding towns/villages are expensive, and even the shitty ones aren't cheap (hello Banbury) as they're on the edge of commuter distance to London. Derby I haven't lived in but know people who have. It's an old manufacturing town and hasn't much to offer graduates. Or anyone really. The Peak District is great, and if you can live out that way and commute in then do it. But again, you won't have similar people for local friends.
- UK-AL 2y agoThere's a huge JLR presence in Solihull right next to Birmingham. It's also one of the wealthiest areas outside of London. But house prices in the really nice parts of Solihull are also high.
- jack_riminton 2y agoCan confirm, I grew up in Derby and it's an absolute desolate wasteland for anyone with any ambition, intelligence or a need for a modicum of culture. Saying the peak district is good for young people is like saying there's a great lake near Detroit, it's not exactly what they're after.
- walthamstow 2y agoThe UK is two countries, you can either live in/around the prosperous one with high cultural capital, good quality public services inc transport, or you can live in the other one.
- anonymousDan 2y agoMeh. Having lived in both I much prefer the latter.
- GasVeteran 2y agoDepends what you mean by "Quality of Life". I literally won't go to see friends because that would mean travelling to London. I hate the place. It is expensive, hostile, dirty and everyone is rude. I live on the outskirts of the peak district. I can walk/cycle less than 30 minutes out of town and be walking along the old canals, through old villages and get amazing views of the countryside.
- dukeyukey 2y agoTo be fair I live in Zone 2 and I can be on old canals and villages (albeit now subsumed into London) in ~20 minutes walking. I grew up in rural Wales, and as nice an upbringing it was, there's a reason I have a single family member left, who's trying to move away!
- Symbiote 2y agoPeople in London probably live nearer to a canal or river, on average, than you do. They're all maintained nicely for walking. 30-60 minutes would take many Londoners to the countryside, the South Downs, Chilterns, etc.
- GasVeteran 2y agoThey don't have the countryside, clean air and amazing views.
- Symbiote 2y agoYes, I expect there are immigrants standing in the way.
- GasVeteran 2y agoAre they? It sounds hard to believe. But I haven't been to London in a very long time.
- twic 2y ago> everyone is rude I take it you've never been to Yorkshire then?
- dukeyukey 2y agoWhat makes you think QoL in London is bad? I grew up in a rural farming town and much prefer London. Housing is expensive but that's about it.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoLiving there for 5 years. Unless you are in finance and live in city, it’s a shitshow.
- twic 2y agoI lived there as a graduate student and then as a non-finance software engineer for about fifteen years. I liked it, as did dozens of my friends. It's absolute fantasy to call it a shitshow.
- dukeyukey 2y agoBeen here for nearly 8, not working in finance and still quite liking it. Housing is expensive, but that's about it. Everything else (jobs, amenities, transport, people) is fantastic.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoMy favourite reflection on UK was by Abroad in Japan host - first night he sees someone pissing on an ATM.
- ctz 2y agoMy impression is that top aerospace people do not now work in aerospace, but in Motorsport.
- zipy124 2y agomotorsport is similarly low salary, at least specifically F1. It is like game-dev in software in that there are far more people who want to do it than the number of jobs available so they can afford to pay you in the cool experience of working on F1 rather than in cash terms.