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Instagram is hardly a reliable benchmark given that it has been widely criticised for its suppression of Palestinian content. [1] [1] https://www.hrw.org/repor

by janice1999 2y ago

Instagram is hardly a reliable benchmark given that it has been widely criticised for its suppression of Palestinian content. [1] [1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...

fsflover 2y ago
Why is this not reliable for other topics than Palestine?
- janice1999 2y ago
  If one topic is being provably artificially suppressed, how is any data reliable? Instagram is not a good baseline -perhaps no large social is.
  - zug_zug 2y ago
    That's a really weak argument. Let's clarify: 1. An anti-free-speech government that arrests people for discussing certain topics that controls a company that seems not to show certain topics much. 2. The company doesn't make any claim it's not filtering out anti-china topics. 3. We find strong evidence that platforms don't match. 4. You want to throw out all evidence and blindly presume complete innocence because you think 1 of 10 topics on instagram isn't easy to explain? Feels hard to believe you could come to that conclusion in good faith.
redeux 2y ago
So what does that say when they’re even more underrepresented on TikTok as GP showed?
- noworriesnate 2y ago
  That's not what the paper is saying. Hashtags like #PrayForIsrael or #IsraelUnderAttack are way lower on Tiktok than on Instagram[1]. They aren't talking about anti-genocide or pro-Palestinian hashtags. Basically, Instagram is way more pro-Israel than Tiktok. Many people think that that is why Tiktok is coming under fire. Because China is ambivalent towards the Israel/Hamas conflict whereas many power structures in the U.S. are very pro-Israel. [1] https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing-Timebomb_12.21.23.pdf https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing... page 14

fsflover 2y ago

Why is this not reliable for other topics than Palestine?

janice1999 2y ago
If one topic is being provably artificially suppressed, how is any data reliable? Instagram is not a good baseline -perhaps no large social is.
- zug_zug 2y ago
  That's a really weak argument. Let's clarify: 1. An anti-free-speech government that arrests people for discussing certain topics that controls a company that seems not to show certain topics much. 2. The company doesn't make any claim it's not filtering out anti-china topics. 3. We find strong evidence that platforms don't match. 4. You want to throw out all evidence and blindly presume complete innocence because you think 1 of 10 topics on instagram isn't easy to explain? Feels hard to believe you could come to that conclusion in good faith.

redeux 2y ago

So what does that say when they’re even more underrepresented on TikTok as GP showed?

noworriesnate 2y ago
That's not what the paper is saying. Hashtags like #PrayForIsrael or #IsraelUnderAttack are way lower on Tiktok than on Instagram[1]. They aren't talking about anti-genocide or pro-Palestinian hashtags. Basically, Instagram is way more pro-Israel than Tiktok. Many people think that that is why Tiktok is coming under fire. Because China is ambivalent towards the Israel/Hamas conflict whereas many power structures in the U.S. are very pro-Israel. [1] https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing-Timebomb_12.21.23.pdf https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing... page 14