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Windows 7 Beta Fail

10 points by inc 18y ago

msie 18y ago
Why aren't they using bittorrent?
- jhancock 18y ago
  I'm sure their legal team has solid justifications for it. What happens if you can grab it from torrent? There is no agreement between you and Microsoft that you do not own the product or have other rights. The firmly accepted way have a legal agreement is to get an agreement. So no torrent.
  - snprbob86 18y ago
    Maybe, but I think the bigger issue is that the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing. Microsoft has a viable bit torrent surrogate which would allow them to force a EULA up front: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... "Version 3.0 (November 2007) Adds peer caching which allows users to download content from peers and also serve content to peers [...]"
- chrisbolt 18y ago
  Why aren't they using a CDN?
- Zev 18y ago
  When Vista's beta came out, MS ran into the same problems. So someone put up a torrent of the iso (On legaltorrents.com i think) and linked to MS's site saying to go there for serials and to file bugs. MS still sent the legal team after it to have the torrent shut down fairly quickly. Interesting sidenote: Microsoft's research labs made a "Bittorrent Simulator" - http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/20d68689-9a8d-44c0-80cd-66dfa4b0504b/default.aspx http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/20d68689-9a8d-...
DenisM 18y ago
I snatched mine from MSDN two days back. It was actually backed by akamai, I'm not sure why didn't they use the same for non-MSDN subscribers.
- ROFISH 18y ago
  If I had to take a quick guess, it's because Akamai charges by the bandwidth. While your (paid) MSDN account supports the Akamai charges, the general public will just get leftover bandwidth from various services which is 'free'.
patio11 18y ago
This totally wouldn't have happened to highly anticipated downloads from Firefox or Apple, which can push their terabytes through pipes made of sheer cool. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/17/its-firefox-3-world-record-download-day-but-im-still-waiting/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/17/its-firefox-3-world-rec... http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Mac-fans-overload-Expo-Web-site/0,130061733,139232436,00.htm http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Mac-fans-overload-...
ROFISH 18y ago
Windows 7 Beta 32-bit build 7000 en_us : http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-4... Windows 7 Beta 64-bit build 7000 en_us : http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-4... I found this on another website, but the links work and it seems real enough.
ScottWhigham 18y ago
I thought this going to lead to the "fix" so that Windows 7 doesn't delete the first 3 seconds of every MP3 you have lol. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961367 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961367
wavesplash 18y ago
I'm running Win7 from MSDN here. Honestly if you're on Vista SP2 (pre-release) then there not enough difference in Win7 to waste the upgrade time. (Vista SP2 seems to be pretty stable memory wise - no more swapping/disk grinding for me). Also note, if you have an older ATI video card you may need to boot into safe mode and remove the old drivers to make the screen readable. I had to run the 2nd half of the install blind (it really is beta). Final note: watch your MP3's - check the release notes. Seems the install damages them.
- Zev 18y ago
  The difference is, not many people in the public have Vista SP2. Whereas everyone can grab Windows 7 if they so desire.
  - wavesplash 18y ago
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=dca54ecc-362a-4b4d-b62b-22780e839a7e&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=dca...
jodrellblank 18y ago
"Urgent information: Your computer needs a scan. You have not scanned for spyware in 0 days". I was hoping all the niggling non-resizable dialogs and pestering messages would be sorted this time. They aren't, and there are more of them. Despite that, I like it more than Vista already.

Windows 7 Beta Fail

10 points by inc 18y ago

msie 18y ago

Why aren't they using bittorrent?

jhancock 18y ago
I'm sure their legal team has solid justifications for it. What happens if you can grab it from torrent? There is no agreement between you and Microsoft that you do not own the product or have other rights. The firmly accepted way have a legal agreement is to get an agreement. So no torrent.
- snprbob86 18y ago
  Maybe, but I think the bigger issue is that the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing. Microsoft has a viable bit torrent surrogate which would allow them to force a EULA up front: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... "Version 3.0 (November 2007) Adds peer caching which allows users to download content from peers and also serve content to peers [...]"
chrisbolt 18y ago
Why aren't they using a CDN?
Zev 18y ago
When Vista's beta came out, MS ran into the same problems. So someone put up a torrent of the iso (On legaltorrents.com i think) and linked to MS's site saying to go there for serials and to file bugs. MS still sent the legal team after it to have the torrent shut down fairly quickly. Interesting sidenote: Microsoft's research labs made a "Bittorrent Simulator" - http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/20d68689-9a8d-44c0-80cd-66dfa4b0504b/default.aspx http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/20d68689-9a8d-...

DenisM 18y ago

I snatched mine from MSDN two days back. It was actually backed by akamai, I'm not sure why didn't they use the same for non-MSDN subscribers.

ROFISH 18y ago
If I had to take a quick guess, it's because Akamai charges by the bandwidth. While your (paid) MSDN account supports the Akamai charges, the general public will just get leftover bandwidth from various services which is 'free'.

patio11 18y ago

This totally wouldn't have happened to highly anticipated downloads from Firefox or Apple, which can push their terabytes through pipes made of sheer cool. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/17/its-firefox-3-world-record-download-day-but-im-still-waiting/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/17/its-firefox-3-world-rec... http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Mac-fans-overload-Expo-Web-site/0,130061733,139232436,00.htm http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Mac-fans-overload-...

ROFISH 18y ago

Windows 7 Beta 32-bit build 7000 en_us : http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-4... Windows 7 Beta 64-bit build 7000 en_us : http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-4... I found this on another website, but the links work and it seems real enough.

ScottWhigham 18y ago

I thought this going to lead to the "fix" so that Windows 7 doesn't delete the first 3 seconds of every MP3 you have lol. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961367 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961367

wavesplash 18y ago

I'm running Win7 from MSDN here. Honestly if you're on Vista SP2 (pre-release) then there not enough difference in Win7 to waste the upgrade time. (Vista SP2 seems to be pretty stable memory wise - no more swapping/disk grinding for me). Also note, if you have an older ATI video card you may need to boot into safe mode and remove the old drivers to make the screen readable. I had to run the 2nd half of the install blind (it really is beta). Final note: watch your MP3's - check the release notes. Seems the install damages them.

Zev 18y ago
The difference is, not many people in the public have Vista SP2. Whereas everyone can grab Windows 7 if they so desire.
- wavesplash 18y ago
  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=dca54ecc-362a-4b4d-b62b-22780e839a7e&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=dca...

jodrellblank 18y ago

"Urgent information: Your computer needs a scan. You have not scanned for spyware in 0 days". I was hoping all the niggling non-resizable dialogs and pestering messages would be sorted this time. They aren't, and there are more of them. Despite that, I like it more than Vista already.