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This is only tangentially related, but if you like history and ship wrecks and live near Kansas City, go to the Steamboat Arabia museum. They're digging up a s

This is only tangentially related, but if you like history and ship wrecks and live near Kansas City, go to the Steamboat Arabia museum. They're digging up a steamboat that sunk, and they found after the river changed its course. It's super cool. When we went the last time we were driving across the states, one of the guys actually doing the excavating was there. He gave our kids a guided tour and talked about all the exhibits with them. It was super cool.

xandrius 2y ago
Cool indeed but 1856CE is not quite as incredible as 300BCE.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  What was in the 1856 wreck has rewritten the history of commerce on the Mississippi.
  - Munksgaard 2y ago
    You'll never guess what happened next!
    - adolph 2y ago
      This is the one weird trick that museums use to pull in donor dollars.
  - joseppudev 2y ago
    did it rewrite the slave trade part as well or did that remain as it is written?
    - Alive-in-2025 2y ago
      Look around Wikipedia, you find a little more info re slavery and this ship. Kansas and Missouri were on the violent border with a mixture of pro and anti-slavery views, even as the geographical boundary of allowed slavery separated "the south". The museum website says there's clothing on the ship that has a pro-slavery mark, to be sent to some store. The ship at one time was boarded by pro-slavery forces who found hidden guns that were being shipped to abolitionists. It does not appear they sent slaves on it en mass. There were plenty of people who were pro slavery in those days. Mixed all across the US, read Mark Twain. There were plenty of people against it. More to the point, I wonder if the museum addresses this. I'm going to guess only in a small way, having lived half my life in the south. Maybe someone with actual knowlege can comment instead of web search "experts" like me.
- devoutsalsa 2y ago
  It’s not a competition.
  - timeon 2y ago
    Yeah but the one from 19th century seems bit random for this thread.
    - rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
      Loughla did state: "only tangentially related"
coffeecantcode 2y ago
Agreed, it is a very cool museum. Go early on a weekend morning in the spring and hit the market while it’s bustling, love that part of the city.
jbarrow 2y ago
Loved the one in Kansas City! There are some great, thematically-similar museums in other countries as well, if you ever find yourself there: - the Vasa in Stockholm, Sweden is a ship dredged from the harbor and stabilized, sank in 1628 - the Mary Rose in Portsmouth, England is a Tudor ship that sank in 1545 that was raised and stabilized In both cases a ton of work was done to stabilize and preserve the remains of the ships that is, imo, almost more interesting than the ship itself.
- viewtransform 2y ago
  The Vasa Museum , Stockholm, Sweden ( Ultra 4K ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9NQUULR-UE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9NQUULR-UE
- gandalfian 2y ago
  Honestly I wouldn't rush to see the Mary Rose unless you are extremely interested. It's a little anticlimactic as a viewing experience.
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c0brac0bra 2y ago
Go and see it while you can! Its lease ends in 2026 I think its future is uncertain.

xandrius 2y ago

Cool indeed but 1856CE is not quite as incredible as 300BCE.

WalterBright 2y ago
What was in the 1856 wreck has rewritten the history of commerce on the Mississippi.
- Munksgaard 2y ago
  You'll never guess what happened next!
  - adolph 2y ago
    This is the one weird trick that museums use to pull in donor dollars.
- joseppudev 2y ago
  did it rewrite the slave trade part as well or did that remain as it is written?
  - Alive-in-2025 2y ago
    Look around Wikipedia, you find a little more info re slavery and this ship. Kansas and Missouri were on the violent border with a mixture of pro and anti-slavery views, even as the geographical boundary of allowed slavery separated "the south". The museum website says there's clothing on the ship that has a pro-slavery mark, to be sent to some store. The ship at one time was boarded by pro-slavery forces who found hidden guns that were being shipped to abolitionists. It does not appear they sent slaves on it en mass. There were plenty of people who were pro slavery in those days. Mixed all across the US, read Mark Twain. There were plenty of people against it. More to the point, I wonder if the museum addresses this. I'm going to guess only in a small way, having lived half my life in the south. Maybe someone with actual knowlege can comment instead of web search "experts" like me.
devoutsalsa 2y ago
It’s not a competition.
- timeon 2y ago
  Yeah but the one from 19th century seems bit random for this thread.
  - rUsHeYaFuBu 2y ago
    Loughla did state: "only tangentially related"

coffeecantcode 2y ago

Agreed, it is a very cool museum. Go early on a weekend morning in the spring and hit the market while it’s bustling, love that part of the city.

jbarrow 2y ago

Loved the one in Kansas City! There are some great, thematically-similar museums in other countries as well, if you ever find yourself there: - the Vasa in Stockholm, Sweden is a ship dredged from the harbor and stabilized, sank in 1628 - the Mary Rose in Portsmouth, England is a Tudor ship that sank in 1545 that was raised and stabilized In both cases a ton of work was done to stabilize and preserve the remains of the ships that is, imo, almost more interesting than the ship itself.

viewtransform 2y ago
The Vasa Museum , Stockholm, Sweden ( Ultra 4K ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9NQUULR-UE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9NQUULR-UE
gandalfian 2y ago
Honestly I wouldn't rush to see the Mary Rose unless you are extremely interested. It's a little anticlimactic as a viewing experience.

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c0brac0bra 2y ago

Go and see it while you can! Its lease ends in 2026 I think its future is uncertain.