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For the record -- the law for TikTok divestment was not passed on its own, but was instead included in the foreign aid (including Ukraine) package https://editi

For the record -- the law for TikTok divestment was not passed on its own, but was instead included in the foreign aid (including Ukraine) package https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/tech/congress-tiktok-ban-what-next/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/tech/congress-tiktok-ban-... It is not clear if it would have passed if not that procedural trick... So one has to take this into account when considering 'bipartisan support' of the thing.

nickthegreek 2y ago
>so one has to take this into account when considering ‘bipartisan support’ of the thing. I do not. I can hold a person accountable to their vote on this legislation. Their vote on this legislation caused the Supreme Court to release an opinion that affects every citizens 1st amendment rights. Now if they released a statement at the time condemning this while also talking about the importance of the aid they might have some leeway.
- yreg 2y ago
  Accountable for sure, but it's less clear who was in favour and who was against the bill compared to if it wasn't bundled together.
- sanderjd 2y ago
  How does the ruling affect the 1st amendment rights of US citizens? It entirely affects foreign business owners.
sillysaurusx 2y ago
Thanks for this. It’s the first I’ve heard of it.
- Karrot_Kream 2y ago
  Yes it was included in a foreign aid package to make it more palatable to Congress. Advocates of the bill on this site are not bringing that up because they support the bill.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  The standalone vote for it was overwhelmingly in favor of a ban. See other comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42762082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42762082
kristjansson 2y ago
Standalone vote in the house was pretty supportive and bipartisan too https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486 https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486.
lalaland1125 2y ago
This is a misleading view of history. It is true that it was included in the foreign aid package, but the TikTok ban was also passed in an isolated bill in an overwhelming bipartisan manner beforehand. 90% of Republicans in the House voted for the TikTok ban alone. 73% of Democrats. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486 https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486 It is very clear that it would have passed without that procedural trick, because it already did.
- dluan 2y ago
  Now post the lobbying money received by lawmakers, as well as their history of trades of Meta stock.
  - pixl97 2y ago
    And? The history of media companies operating in the US to have US citizens owners is likely much longer than you've been alive, just ask Murdoch about is US citizenship. You're highlighting a completely different problem that's longstanding and happening regardless if we're talking about enemy states. Be nice if we could solve the Musk/Zuck issues, but I don't suspect we will as we worship the altar of money.
    - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
      > media companies operating in the US to have US citizens owners is likely much longer than you've been alive You do realise that, should US allies apply this principle themselves, US companies will suffer? Most UK media is foreign owned at this point. As is our water supply, transport and energy And Elon’s rampant disrespect and general behaviour are inviting that day.
      - x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
        The difference is China is an adversary, not an ally like the UK,and China already bans our social media there.
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
> but was instead included in the foreign aid (including Ukraine) package I don't know why these kinds of shenanigans are still possible. It makes a complete joke of politics and legislation (and by extension: law). I know I'm shouting at clouds here, and I know the reason is: the sheeple don't care enough to change this thing for the better. But I still feel the need to point it out.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  I don't think the sheeple can, sadly. Govt has been so thoroughly captured by corporate interests that I think the fall of America will happen before the govt starts governing for the people
yunohn 2y ago
Congress has a limited amount of time and attention unfortunately, so omnibus bills are very common. That doesn’t invalidate the contained legislature. I don’t agree with the widespread usage of such “tricks”, but I do understand the harsh reality and limitations of representative democracy.

nickthegreek 2y ago

>so one has to take this into account when considering ‘bipartisan support’ of the thing. I do not. I can hold a person accountable to their vote on this legislation. Their vote on this legislation caused the Supreme Court to release an opinion that affects every citizens 1st amendment rights. Now if they released a statement at the time condemning this while also talking about the importance of the aid they might have some leeway.

yreg 2y ago
Accountable for sure, but it's less clear who was in favour and who was against the bill compared to if it wasn't bundled together.
sanderjd 2y ago
How does the ruling affect the 1st amendment rights of US citizens? It entirely affects foreign business owners.

sillysaurusx 2y ago

Thanks for this. It’s the first I’ve heard of it.

Karrot_Kream 2y ago
Yes it was included in a foreign aid package to make it more palatable to Congress. Advocates of the bill on this site are not bringing that up because they support the bill.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
The standalone vote for it was overwhelmingly in favor of a ban. See other comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42762082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42762082

kristjansson 2y ago

Standalone vote in the house was pretty supportive and bipartisan too https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486 https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486.

lalaland1125 2y ago

This is a misleading view of history. It is true that it was included in the foreign aid package, but the TikTok ban was also passed in an isolated bill in an overwhelming bipartisan manner beforehand. 90% of Republicans in the House voted for the TikTok ban alone. 73% of Democrats. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486 https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486 It is very clear that it would have passed without that procedural trick, because it already did.

dluan 2y ago
Now post the lobbying money received by lawmakers, as well as their history of trades of Meta stock.
- pixl97 2y ago
  And? The history of media companies operating in the US to have US citizens owners is likely much longer than you've been alive, just ask Murdoch about is US citizenship. You're highlighting a completely different problem that's longstanding and happening regardless if we're talking about enemy states. Be nice if we could solve the Musk/Zuck issues, but I don't suspect we will as we worship the altar of money.
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    > media companies operating in the US to have US citizens owners is likely much longer than you've been alive You do realise that, should US allies apply this principle themselves, US companies will suffer? Most UK media is foreign owned at this point. As is our water supply, transport and energy And Elon’s rampant disrespect and general behaviour are inviting that day.
    - x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
      The difference is China is an adversary, not an ally like the UK,and China already bans our social media there.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago

> but was instead included in the foreign aid (including Ukraine) package I don't know why these kinds of shenanigans are still possible. It makes a complete joke of politics and legislation (and by extension: law). I know I'm shouting at clouds here, and I know the reason is: the sheeple don't care enough to change this thing for the better. But I still feel the need to point it out.

spencerflem 2y ago
I don't think the sheeple can, sadly. Govt has been so thoroughly captured by corporate interests that I think the fall of America will happen before the govt starts governing for the people

yunohn 2y ago

Congress has a limited amount of time and attention unfortunately, so omnibus bills are very common. That doesn’t invalidate the contained legislature. I don’t agree with the widespread usage of such “tricks”, but I do understand the harsh reality and limitations of representative democracy.