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He’s now publicly a huge hero for saving TikTok and everyone forgot he was the one that wanted it banned in the first place. Fabricating new problems so he can

by _yb2s 2y ago

He’s now publicly a huge hero for saving TikTok and everyone forgot he was the one that wanted it banned in the first place. Fabricating new problems so he can solve them “heroically” is the basic MO of any narcissist or authoritarian despot- and is worth a lot more to him than any under the table cash. Expect a lot more “big wins” in the coming weeks- where he solves problems to massive fanfare that never existed or that he created- with empty “solutions” that also didn’t really happen or take no effort.

metabagel 2y ago
I mostly agree, but nothing is worth more to Trump than cash.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  Narcissists are so consumed with projecting an image or facade, they can’t and don’t want or care about anything else. Real money is certainly a good way of looking rich and powerful- but not always the only way. Faking wealth comes with a lot more stress with the terrifying risk of being found out- but it is clear Trump has still used that strategy a lot, and gone to great lengths to hide the fact that his real wealth (although significant) is less than it appears. Appearing wealthy is especially attractive with narcissism since it is the most banal, obvious, and universally understood signal of success and greatness- but the money itself isn't the goal, and having wealth in secret - as may be necessary if it is under the table - without adding to the appearance of being wealthy would be uninteresting.
coldpie 2y ago
> Fabricating new problems so he can solve them “heroically” is the basic MO of any narcissist or authoritarian despot I thought Joe Biden signed the law?
- rvz 2y ago
  He did and replaced the original executive order from Trump with his own and signed the PAFACA into law last year which effectively supports the TikTok ban. Biden didn't stop it because he also supported the ban as well, which is even worse. So TikTok would have been totally banned if either Biden or Harris won the election.
  - _yb2s 2y ago
    Biden and Harris's arguments against Trump fell flat when they had no explanation for why they continued almost everything awful he started, while also still claiming it was awful. "I was going to send her a Maga hat."
Karrot_Kream 2y ago
Changing positions on bills because they're unpopular seems like a good thing no? Nor does it seem like a particularly ideological position to have, Republican or Democrat. I'm actually very surprised that Biden/Harris seemed so positive for the bill. Biden and the Democrats could have easily used this themselves, Biden himself was a lame duck President and could have vetoed the bill with minimal consequences. The fact that people are getting mad at Trump for taking a gamble to placate angry public sentiment makes me think that folks have lost the political plot: democratic politicians need to support initiatives and ideas that are popular among people.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  I don't disagree- and think reversing this position is a good thing. I do however, also believe that good leaders are people with their own principles and ideas- and are willing to do what is right even if it isn't popular, when necessary. However, a huge percentage of our political leaders on both the left and right seem to have a 'dark triad' personality with narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy- and no ideals besides getting more power and admiration, that switch everything they claim to stand for on a dime like a kid trying on play outfits. I'd like to see people notice and not accept that type of 'leadership.'
  - Karrot_Kream 2y ago
    I participate in some local and state level politics. You're not going to get those kind of people in politics. Every even remotely contentious legislation will get you tarred and feathered by your opponents. Opposition will use any tactic to bring you down, focusing on something silly you said 20 years ago, taking words out of context, etc, etc. The only kinds of people who can deal with that kind of political environment are the kinds of folks you see in politics. It's the same reason you see certain introverted personality types overselected for in backend engineering teams: only a certain type of person enjoys working on something that is inscrutable to most people even users of the service they help support. === > I do however, also believe that good leaders are people with their own principles and ideas- and are willing to do what is right even if it isn't popular, when necessary. It's a slippery slope from this to oligopolistic rule. Obviously the US democracy is not direct and there's an understanding that politicians balance their principles against popularity but I also think the US is of a mood that Congress is run by disconnected elites right now. Now is the time to err to populism.
richrichie 2y ago
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- _yb2s 2y ago
  Sorry to disappoint you, but that isn't my style- I won't be doing either. I'm particularly interested in having Americans become generally aware of narcissism and emotional manipulation- so they can spot it and have some 'cultural antibodies' against it, and stop being duped by people like this from all political persuasions. We've never had a better opportunity to finally do this, now having a president that is an almost exaggerated cartoonist caricature of a narcissist, that switches stories and philosophies from hour to hour depending on who is listening at the moment.
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    - _yb2s 2y ago
      Oh, I'm upset and traumatized indeed, and even getting professional help for it, but over someone other than this guy. Anytime one of a dozen narcissistic celebrities comes up I mention the same thing, but I can't think of a single politician or celebrity I care enough about to even dislike. As Nietzsche said, one must have reverence for their enemies, and none of them make the grade. Maybe I just need to talk about it, but I'd like to think I learned something that might help someone else.
      - richrichie 2y ago
        It counts as something only if you called out Obama as vigorously. I don’t see any evidence of that in your timeline.

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metabagel 2y ago

I mostly agree, but nothing is worth more to Trump than cash.

_yb2s 2y ago
Narcissists are so consumed with projecting an image or facade, they can’t and don’t want or care about anything else. Real money is certainly a good way of looking rich and powerful- but not always the only way. Faking wealth comes with a lot more stress with the terrifying risk of being found out- but it is clear Trump has still used that strategy a lot, and gone to great lengths to hide the fact that his real wealth (although significant) is less than it appears. Appearing wealthy is especially attractive with narcissism since it is the most banal, obvious, and universally understood signal of success and greatness- but the money itself isn't the goal, and having wealth in secret - as may be necessary if it is under the table - without adding to the appearance of being wealthy would be uninteresting.

coldpie 2y ago

> Fabricating new problems so he can solve them “heroically” is the basic MO of any narcissist or authoritarian despot I thought Joe Biden signed the law?

rvz 2y ago
He did and replaced the original executive order from Trump with his own and signed the PAFACA into law last year which effectively supports the TikTok ban. Biden didn't stop it because he also supported the ban as well, which is even worse. So TikTok would have been totally banned if either Biden or Harris won the election.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  Biden and Harris's arguments against Trump fell flat when they had no explanation for why they continued almost everything awful he started, while also still claiming it was awful. "I was going to send her a Maga hat."

Karrot_Kream 2y ago

Changing positions on bills because they're unpopular seems like a good thing no? Nor does it seem like a particularly ideological position to have, Republican or Democrat. I'm actually very surprised that Biden/Harris seemed so positive for the bill. Biden and the Democrats could have easily used this themselves, Biden himself was a lame duck President and could have vetoed the bill with minimal consequences. The fact that people are getting mad at Trump for taking a gamble to placate angry public sentiment makes me think that folks have lost the political plot: democratic politicians need to support initiatives and ideas that are popular among people.

_yb2s 2y ago
I don't disagree- and think reversing this position is a good thing. I do however, also believe that good leaders are people with their own principles and ideas- and are willing to do what is right even if it isn't popular, when necessary. However, a huge percentage of our political leaders on both the left and right seem to have a 'dark triad' personality with narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy- and no ideals besides getting more power and admiration, that switch everything they claim to stand for on a dime like a kid trying on play outfits. I'd like to see people notice and not accept that type of 'leadership.'
- Karrot_Kream 2y ago
  I participate in some local and state level politics. You're not going to get those kind of people in politics. Every even remotely contentious legislation will get you tarred and feathered by your opponents. Opposition will use any tactic to bring you down, focusing on something silly you said 20 years ago, taking words out of context, etc, etc. The only kinds of people who can deal with that kind of political environment are the kinds of folks you see in politics. It's the same reason you see certain introverted personality types overselected for in backend engineering teams: only a certain type of person enjoys working on something that is inscrutable to most people even users of the service they help support. === > I do however, also believe that good leaders are people with their own principles and ideas- and are willing to do what is right even if it isn't popular, when necessary. It's a slippery slope from this to oligopolistic rule. Obviously the US democracy is not direct and there's an understanding that politicians balance their principles against popularity but I also think the US is of a mood that Congress is run by disconnected elites right now. Now is the time to err to populism.

richrichie 2y ago

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_yb2s 2y ago
Sorry to disappoint you, but that isn't my style- I won't be doing either. I'm particularly interested in having Americans become generally aware of narcissism and emotional manipulation- so they can spot it and have some 'cultural antibodies' against it, and stop being duped by people like this from all political persuasions. We've never had a better opportunity to finally do this, now having a president that is an almost exaggerated cartoonist caricature of a narcissist, that switches stories and philosophies from hour to hour depending on who is listening at the moment.
- richrichie 2y ago
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  - _yb2s 2y ago
    Oh, I'm upset and traumatized indeed, and even getting professional help for it, but over someone other than this guy. Anytime one of a dozen narcissistic celebrities comes up I mention the same thing, but I can't think of a single politician or celebrity I care enough about to even dislike. As Nietzsche said, one must have reverence for their enemies, and none of them make the grade. Maybe I just need to talk about it, but I'd like to think I learned something that might help someone else.
    - richrichie 2y ago
      It counts as something only if you called out Obama as vigorously. I don’t see any evidence of that in your timeline.