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I think people are not quite ready for the level of klept we’re about to see.

pjc50 2y ago
The klept will probably escalate until a fellow billionaire gets hit. It's going to get really weird. We can blame the state of New York for this, who convicted Trump of falsifying business records and then handed him a sentence of .. nothing.
- xnx 2y ago
  > then handed him a sentence of .. nothing. Nothing yet: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo
  - lazide 2y ago
    Which is why he is never going to voluntarily step down, and has made it clear he is never going to voluntarily step down.
    - foobazgt 2y ago
      There would literally be an instant revolution by 50% of the US upon such an act. Let's please avoid the inflammatory rhetoric.
      - lazide 2y ago
        Have you not listened to what he has clearly said? Including plans to pardon folks for Jan 6th? Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be some kind of ‘emergency’ this time. There was no ‘instant revolution’ on Jan 6th. Near as I can tell, if that capital police officer hadn’t shot the woman climbing the barricade… But then I watched it live on CSPAN, so I got to see it for myself instead of being able to be told afterwards that I didn’t see what I saw.
- wrs 2y ago
  This despite the brilliant defense argument of “that wasn’t fraud because everyone should have known I was lying”…which was also the Fox News defense…and is presumably how the executive branch officially works as of tomorrow.
- rayiner 2y ago
  What should be the penalty for mislabeling a payment to a pornstar in the records of your own family owned company?
  - catlifeonmars 2y ago
    Nothing unless you’re running for public office. The rules are understandably different when you’re beholden to the people. Personally I’m ok with this distinction. Politicians should have to give up some rights that private citizens have and be held to a higher bar to guard against the tendency towards corruption that comes with greater influence and power.
    - rayiner 2y ago
      He wasn’t running for public office at the time. And maybe we should have a law that punishes politicians for paying money to cover up affairs. But we don't have that. Trump's prosecution was, instead, a triple bank shot combining three different vaguely written laws in a combination that makes the Double Irish with Dutch Sandwich look straightforward.[1] As CNN's head legal analyst Elie Honig explained: "The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever." https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-but-prosecutors-contorted-the-law.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sandwich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sandwich
      - kemayo 2y ago
        Yes he was. The payment in question happened after he launched his campaign -- in late October of 2016. [EDIT to respond a bit to the now-expanded parent, which was only a single sentence when I replied]: I do totally agree that the hush money prosecution was a bit of a stretch, and wouldn't have happened if Trump wasn't famous. You're just wrong about it applying to a time when he wasn't running for office.
- roughly 2y ago
  > The klept will probably escalate until a fellow billionaire gets hit. The klept will not spare the billionaires. There’s a reason Meta’s entire public posture has changed since Nov 6, there’s a reason the WaPo didn’t publish an endorsement. This isn’t a class thing - Trump is not a billionaire defending his fellow billionaires, he’s a mob boss in charge of the state.
  - __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
    He's a jester in a royal court peopled by billionaires.
llm_trw 2y ago
On the contrary, we've even following the Pelosy trading scheme for quite a while.
- OKRainbowKid 2y ago
  This would go way above insider trading for mere millions.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    Try billions. Pelosy alone is worth around half a billion.
    - roughly 2y ago
      If Trump walks away from all this as a single-digits billionaire, I'll consider this all to have been business as usual.
parineum 2y ago
I'll go ahead and take the doomsaying with a grain of salt and expect, roughly, the exact same thing as last time. Spare me the, "but this time it's different" without any good reason to expect it.
- roughly 2y ago
  I genuinely hope you’re right.

The klept will probably escalate until a fellow billionaire gets hit. It's going to get really weird. We can blame the state of New York for this, who convicted Trump of falsifying business records and then handed him a sentence of .. nothing.

xnx 2y ago
> then handed him a sentence of .. nothing. Nothing yet: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr72m57e1jo
- lazide 2y ago
  Which is why he is never going to voluntarily step down, and has made it clear he is never going to voluntarily step down.
  - foobazgt 2y ago
    There would literally be an instant revolution by 50% of the US upon such an act. Let's please avoid the inflammatory rhetoric.
    - lazide 2y ago
      Have you not listened to what he has clearly said? Including plans to pardon folks for Jan 6th? Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be some kind of ‘emergency’ this time. There was no ‘instant revolution’ on Jan 6th. Near as I can tell, if that capital police officer hadn’t shot the woman climbing the barricade… But then I watched it live on CSPAN, so I got to see it for myself instead of being able to be told afterwards that I didn’t see what I saw.
wrs 2y ago
This despite the brilliant defense argument of “that wasn’t fraud because everyone should have known I was lying”…which was also the Fox News defense…and is presumably how the executive branch officially works as of tomorrow.
rayiner 2y ago
What should be the penalty for mislabeling a payment to a pornstar in the records of your own family owned company?
- catlifeonmars 2y ago
  Nothing unless you’re running for public office. The rules are understandably different when you’re beholden to the people. Personally I’m ok with this distinction. Politicians should have to give up some rights that private citizens have and be held to a higher bar to guard against the tendency towards corruption that comes with greater influence and power.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    He wasn’t running for public office at the time. And maybe we should have a law that punishes politicians for paying money to cover up affairs. But we don't have that. Trump's prosecution was, instead, a triple bank shot combining three different vaguely written laws in a combination that makes the Double Irish with Dutch Sandwich look straightforward.[1] As CNN's head legal analyst Elie Honig explained: "The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever." https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-but-prosecutors-contorted-the-law.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sandwich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sandwich
    - kemayo 2y ago
      Yes he was. The payment in question happened after he launched his campaign -- in late October of 2016. [EDIT to respond a bit to the now-expanded parent, which was only a single sentence when I replied]: I do totally agree that the hush money prosecution was a bit of a stretch, and wouldn't have happened if Trump wasn't famous. You're just wrong about it applying to a time when he wasn't running for office.
roughly 2y ago
> The klept will probably escalate until a fellow billionaire gets hit. The klept will not spare the billionaires. There’s a reason Meta’s entire public posture has changed since Nov 6, there’s a reason the WaPo didn’t publish an endorsement. This isn’t a class thing - Trump is not a billionaire defending his fellow billionaires, he’s a mob boss in charge of the state.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  He's a jester in a royal court peopled by billionaires.

llm_trw 2y ago

On the contrary, we've even following the Pelosy trading scheme for quite a while.

OKRainbowKid 2y ago
This would go way above insider trading for mere millions.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  Try billions. Pelosy alone is worth around half a billion.
  - roughly 2y ago
    If Trump walks away from all this as a single-digits billionaire, I'll consider this all to have been business as usual.

parineum 2y ago

I'll go ahead and take the doomsaying with a grain of salt and expect, roughly, the exact same thing as last time. Spare me the, "but this time it's different" without any good reason to expect it.

roughly 2y ago
I genuinely hope you’re right.