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I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from. I'm talking of a hypothetical modern-day Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and w

I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from. I'm talking of a hypothetical modern-day Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or.

6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
> I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from Since we are speculating, a modern day Germany has not perpetrated the holocaust, or it would not be allowed to exist in the European Union. > Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or. But what tik tok has to do with that? If nazi Germany was still alive and kicking, it means we would all use their apps, because we would all speak German. It would be what the USA are today. We in fact use American apps or buy American devices even though they allow very bad content or are produced where labor protection laws are inexistent and worker are treated like slaves.
- chpatrick 2y ago
  No one said anything about the European Union. Let's say our hypothetical modern Nazi Germany is in fact conducting the holocaust. Would you be okay with your kids using their funny dancing app?
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
    Why is that such a big problem for you to understand that China is not the nazi germany and tik tok is not spreading dangerous ideas, it's simply less controlled by the US monopoly? (who are the nazi germany in this your little experiment) But hey, you want an answer? of course I wouldn't be onboard with whoever is committing a genocide, just like I'm not on board with Israel and I boycott them and their products, as I am not onboard with the US foreign policy of the past 80 years (CIA was responsible for more than 90s changes of regime) and if it was for me US social networks would be banished in my Country. I don't see many differences between the modern US and the nazi germany, besides the holocaust (which is not a small feat, I know, but hey, dangerous ideas are dangerous too)
    - wrsh07 2y ago
      > with whoever is committing a genocide... Are you perhaps not aware of this issue? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide-uighurs-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide... Or do you not consider it genocide?
      - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
        First of all, I guess you are a little bit dumb, don't you know that 2 wrongs don't make a right? Didn't your mum tell you that? Secondly > Are you perhaps not aware of this issue? "Mike Pompeo is saying that" it's not proof. I am talking about facts, for example https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/war-crimes-court-issues-warrants-for-netanyahu-and-former-israeli-defense-minister https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/war-crimes-court-issues-wa... > Or do you not consider it genocide? It doesn't matter what I think, I am a no one, a genocide is not when USA say their adversaries are committing it but stay silent when their allies are condemned by internationally recognized courts (here, in the West). BTW if you consider the Uyghurs issue a genocide, I got news for you: you should consider 80% of the countries of the World genocidal. If you wanna play that game, no one should trade with the USA or use any of their apps and, god forbid, have access to their cultural (propagandist) material. Take for example what's been happening at the Mexican border for decades https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59019791 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59019791 The US says more than 1.7 million migrants were detained along its border with Mexico in the past 12 months - the highest number ever recorded By contrast "only" 1 million Uyghurs have been detained to date (according to our sources, that are not official sources, we don't even have real evidence, just wild guesses). You don't know how much you don't know my friend, when I read something like this I always think: tell me you are american (or plainly ignorant, they are synonyms) without telling me.
        wrsh07 2y ago
        This is obviously an over-the-top response. I quoted what you said: > of course I wouldn't be onboard with whoever is committing a genocide And asked if you were familiar with these particular atrocities. These particular atrocities are fairly different from the American/Mexican border in enough ways that your conflation is fairly bizarre (is there forced sterilization at the US Mexico border? What about forced labor? Or do you consider those to be unfounded claims that I would only believe because I'm an American?) Tbh mostly the US and their allies seem to prefer not talking about the Uyghurs. And, I mean, what is the US supposed to do about it, anyway? (Contrast this with Israel/Palestine where the US continues to arm Israel with relatively few conditions on the usage of those weapons) I am curious how you think the US should handle its southern border? My understanding is most European nations similarly struggle with large influxes of refugees. This is a global crisis, and you have actual data about it because the US doesn't kill journalists who research it. I'm not saying "America shouldn't trade with China because of what's going on within their borders." (We are a huge trade partner with China. We were a huge trade partner with Russia before they invaded Ukraine) I do think it's reasonable for America to ban TikTok.

6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago

> I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from Since we are speculating, a modern day Germany has not perpetrated the holocaust, or it would not be allowed to exist in the European Union. > Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or. But what tik tok has to do with that? If nazi Germany was still alive and kicking, it means we would all use their apps, because we would all speak German. It would be what the USA are today. We in fact use American apps or buy American devices even though they allow very bad content or are produced where labor protection laws are inexistent and worker are treated like slaves.

chpatrick 2y ago
No one said anything about the European Union. Let's say our hypothetical modern Nazi Germany is in fact conducting the holocaust. Would you be okay with your kids using their funny dancing app?
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
  Why is that such a big problem for you to understand that China is not the nazi germany and tik tok is not spreading dangerous ideas, it's simply less controlled by the US monopoly? (who are the nazi germany in this your little experiment) But hey, you want an answer? of course I wouldn't be onboard with whoever is committing a genocide, just like I'm not on board with Israel and I boycott them and their products, as I am not onboard with the US foreign policy of the past 80 years (CIA was responsible for more than 90s changes of regime) and if it was for me US social networks would be banished in my Country. I don't see many differences between the modern US and the nazi germany, besides the holocaust (which is not a small feat, I know, but hey, dangerous ideas are dangerous too)
  - wrsh07 2y ago
    > with whoever is committing a genocide... Are you perhaps not aware of this issue? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide-uighurs-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide... Or do you not consider it genocide?
    - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
      First of all, I guess you are a little bit dumb, don't you know that 2 wrongs don't make a right? Didn't your mum tell you that? Secondly > Are you perhaps not aware of this issue? "Mike Pompeo is saying that" it's not proof. I am talking about facts, for example https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/war-crimes-court-issues-warrants-for-netanyahu-and-former-israeli-defense-minister https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/war-crimes-court-issues-wa... > Or do you not consider it genocide? It doesn't matter what I think, I am a no one, a genocide is not when USA say their adversaries are committing it but stay silent when their allies are condemned by internationally recognized courts (here, in the West). BTW if you consider the Uyghurs issue a genocide, I got news for you: you should consider 80% of the countries of the World genocidal. If you wanna play that game, no one should trade with the USA or use any of their apps and, god forbid, have access to their cultural (propagandist) material. Take for example what's been happening at the Mexican border for decades https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59019791 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59019791 The US says more than 1.7 million migrants were detained along its border with Mexico in the past 12 months - the highest number ever recorded By contrast "only" 1 million Uyghurs have been detained to date (according to our sources, that are not official sources, we don't even have real evidence, just wild guesses). You don't know how much you don't know my friend, when I read something like this I always think: tell me you are american (or plainly ignorant, they are synonyms) without telling me.
      - wrsh07 2y ago
        This is obviously an over-the-top response. I quoted what you said: > of course I wouldn't be onboard with whoever is committing a genocide And asked if you were familiar with these particular atrocities. These particular atrocities are fairly different from the American/Mexican border in enough ways that your conflation is fairly bizarre (is there forced sterilization at the US Mexico border? What about forced labor? Or do you consider those to be unfounded claims that I would only believe because I'm an American?) Tbh mostly the US and their allies seem to prefer not talking about the Uyghurs. And, I mean, what is the US supposed to do about it, anyway? (Contrast this with Israel/Palestine where the US continues to arm Israel with relatively few conditions on the usage of those weapons) I am curious how you think the US should handle its southern border? My understanding is most European nations similarly struggle with large influxes of refugees. This is a global crisis, and you have actual data about it because the US doesn't kill journalists who research it. I'm not saying "America shouldn't trade with China because of what's going on within their borders." (We are a huge trade partner with China. We were a huge trade partner with Russia before they invaded Ukraine) I do think it's reasonable for America to ban TikTok.