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Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism along with the goofy dancing videos?

6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
> Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism You mean like all the US social networks banning or severely restricting the content on the slaughter being perpetrated in Palestina, mostly against innocent people and kids, while tik tok allowed it? The answer is still yes, instead of the holocaust I will gladly take an app with just a bit of antisemitism, that, BTW, is not lacking on the platforms we all use and originated in the USA https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemitism-remains-all-too-rampant-on-social-media/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemit...
- chpatrick 2y ago
  Okay, so you're fine with the nazi party feeding your kids antisemitism through their funny dancing video app, that clears things up.
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
    Instead of the holocaust, yes. Now, that's not what's happening on tik tok, that's what's happening in your mind, as a thought experiment I would accept nazitok and tell my kids to not use it, instead of the holocaust and having no power to stop it in any meaningful way. Wouldn't you? Would you really reproduce the holocaust, just so you don't have to educate your children and explain them the right from the wrong? that clears things up.
    - chpatrick 2y ago
      I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from. I'm talking of a hypothetical modern-day Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or.
      - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
        > I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from Since we are speculating, a modern day Germany has not perpetrated the holocaust, or it would not be allowed to exist in the European Union. > Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or. But what tik tok has to do with that? If nazi Germany was still alive and kicking, it means we would all use their apps, because we would all speak German. It would be what the USA are today. We in fact use American apps or buy American devices even though they allow very bad content or are produced where labor protection laws are inexistent and worker are treated like slaves.
        chpatrick 2y ago
        No one said anything about the European Union. Let's say our hypothetical modern Nazi Germany is in fact conducting the holocaust. Would you be okay with your kids using their funny dancing app?
        6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
        Why is that such a big problem for you to understand that China is not the nazi germany and tik tok is not spreading dangerous ideas, it's simply less controlled by the US monopoly? (who are the nazi germany in this your little experiment) But hey, you want an answer? of course I wouldn't be onboard with whoever is committing a genocide, just like I'm not on board with Israel and I boycott them and their products, as I am not onboard with the US foreign policy of the past 80 years (CIA was responsible for more than 90s changes of regime) and if it was for me US social networks would be banished in my Country. I don't see many differences between the modern US and the nazi germany, besides the holocaust (which is not a small feat, I know, but hey, dangerous ideas are dangerous too)
        wrsh07 2y ago
        > with whoever is committing a genocide... Are you perhaps not aware of this issue? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide-uighurs-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide... Or do you not consider it genocide?
6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
Now you have to explain how 2024 China relates to the Nazis, though. Nazism is an 100% western creation, had many supporters in the west and in the USA, and Hitler himself was inspired by the segregation laws in the United States for his reich.
- chpatrick 2y ago
  I'm not comparing China to it, it's just an extreme example. If you are such a free speech absolutist that you think all foreign-controlled media should be allowed (and encouraged to do business in your country), does that include the nazis? And if not, where do you draw the line?
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
    > If you are such a free speech absolutist that you think all foreign-controlled You said all, I never said all, I just said instead of the holocaust I prefer tik tok. You are the one that prefers the holocaust to tik tok and has to live with it. > where do you draw the line? I'll gladly answer: I draw the line where illegal or seriously dangerous stuff is happening. For example I would have banned any social network that promoted the so called "challenges". But the tik tok case has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that if the US cannot control the narrative, they do not want Americans to use it. Which is the exact same thing the nazi did, back then. They did not trust their people to make the right choices.
    - chpatrick 2y ago
      I have no idea where the "either you allow nazi tiktok or it's the holocaust" false dichotomy came from.

6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago

> Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism You mean like all the US social networks banning or severely restricting the content on the slaughter being perpetrated in Palestina, mostly against innocent people and kids, while tik tok allowed it? The answer is still yes, instead of the holocaust I will gladly take an app with just a bit of antisemitism, that, BTW, is not lacking on the platforms we all use and originated in the USA https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemitism-remains-all-too-rampant-on-social-media/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemit...

chpatrick 2y ago
Okay, so you're fine with the nazi party feeding your kids antisemitism through their funny dancing video app, that clears things up.
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
  Instead of the holocaust, yes. Now, that's not what's happening on tik tok, that's what's happening in your mind, as a thought experiment I would accept nazitok and tell my kids to not use it, instead of the holocaust and having no power to stop it in any meaningful way. Wouldn't you? Would you really reproduce the holocaust, just so you don't have to educate your children and explain them the right from the wrong? that clears things up.
  - chpatrick 2y ago
    I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from. I'm talking of a hypothetical modern-day Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or.
    - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
      > I don't understand where "instead of the holocaust" came from Since we are speculating, a modern day Germany has not perpetrated the holocaust, or it would not be allowed to exist in the European Union. > Nazi Germany that's just as awful as the real one, and whether you would allow their funny dancing app. There's no either-or. But what tik tok has to do with that? If nazi Germany was still alive and kicking, it means we would all use their apps, because we would all speak German. It would be what the USA are today. We in fact use American apps or buy American devices even though they allow very bad content or are produced where labor protection laws are inexistent and worker are treated like slaves.
      - chpatrick 2y ago
        No one said anything about the European Union. Let's say our hypothetical modern Nazi Germany is in fact conducting the holocaust. Would you be okay with your kids using their funny dancing app?
        6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
        Why is that such a big problem for you to understand that China is not the nazi germany and tik tok is not spreading dangerous ideas, it's simply less controlled by the US monopoly? (who are the nazi germany in this your little experiment) But hey, you want an answer? of course I wouldn't be onboard with whoever is committing a genocide, just like I'm not on board with Israel and I boycott them and their products, as I am not onboard with the US foreign policy of the past 80 years (CIA was responsible for more than 90s changes of regime) and if it was for me US social networks would be banished in my Country. I don't see many differences between the modern US and the nazi germany, besides the holocaust (which is not a small feat, I know, but hey, dangerous ideas are dangerous too)
        wrsh07 2y ago
        > with whoever is committing a genocide... Are you perhaps not aware of this issue? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide-uighurs-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/world/asia/china-genocide... Or do you not consider it genocide?

6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago

Now you have to explain how 2024 China relates to the Nazis, though. Nazism is an 100% western creation, had many supporters in the west and in the USA, and Hitler himself was inspired by the segregation laws in the United States for his reich.

chpatrick 2y ago
I'm not comparing China to it, it's just an extreme example. If you are such a free speech absolutist that you think all foreign-controlled media should be allowed (and encouraged to do business in your country), does that include the nazis? And if not, where do you draw the line?
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
  > If you are such a free speech absolutist that you think all foreign-controlled You said all, I never said all, I just said instead of the holocaust I prefer tik tok. You are the one that prefers the holocaust to tik tok and has to live with it. > where do you draw the line? I'll gladly answer: I draw the line where illegal or seriously dangerous stuff is happening. For example I would have banned any social network that promoted the so called "challenges". But the tik tok case has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that if the US cannot control the narrative, they do not want Americans to use it. Which is the exact same thing the nazi did, back then. They did not trust their people to make the right choices.
  - chpatrick 2y ago
    I have no idea where the "either you allow nazi tiktok or it's the holocaust" false dichotomy came from.