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Which principles are we talking about? If everyone under the age of 30 was using an app run by Nazi Germany would you be okay with that? Propaganda is a weapo

Which principles are we talking about? If everyone under the age of 30 was using an app run by Nazi Germany would you be okay with that? Propaganda is a weapon and no principle says that you should let an enemy army into your country.

blackoil 2y ago
Nazi Germany was a democratically elected govt, which decided opposing propoganda must be blocked for the better of the nation. So irony?
- chpatrick 2y ago
  So you would be fine if all the kids in your country used NaziTok?
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
    > NaziTok isn't that the codename for X these days?
    - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
      Oh, the irony! I thought I was joking (admittedly a really good joke) but I was actually looking into the future. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-itself-germans-divided-over-musks-apparent-nazi-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gestu...
6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
> If everyone under the age of 30 was using an app run by Nazi Germany would you be okay with that? First answer: I would ask myself why people are using a nazi-made app, first. OTOH: the history of nazism in the US is more complicated than you think A glimpse of it is summarized in the wikipedia page about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_the_Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_the_Americas After all the US arrived first to the Moon thanks to "operation paperclip" and a a former nazi scientist.
- chpatrick 2y ago
  Let's say it's the same situation as now. They made a super addictive app that doesn't have any overt nazism but it's fully under the control of the NSDAP, we don't know how the algorithm works, and they can bias it anytime they like. It's extremely popular and most young people use it. Would you say this is fine, yes or no?
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
    > Would you say this is fine, yes or no? I would say I would totally be fine if the nazis made an app for kids to publish their goofy dancing videos instead of this [1], yes, absolutely yes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
    - chpatrick 2y ago
      Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism along with the goofy dancing videos?
      - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
        > Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism You mean like all the US social networks banning or severely restricting the content on the slaughter being perpetrated in Palestina, mostly against innocent people and kids, while tik tok allowed it? The answer is still yes, instead of the holocaust I will gladly take an app with just a bit of antisemitism, that, BTW, is not lacking on the platforms we all use and originated in the USA https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemitism-remains-all-too-rampant-on-social-media/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemit...
        chpatrick 2y ago
        Okay, so you're fine with the nazi party feeding your kids antisemitism through their funny dancing video app, that clears things up.

blackoil 2y ago

Nazi Germany was a democratically elected govt, which decided opposing propoganda must be blocked for the better of the nation. So irony?

chpatrick 2y ago
So you would be fine if all the kids in your country used NaziTok?
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
  > NaziTok isn't that the codename for X these days?
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
    Oh, the irony! I thought I was joking (admittedly a really good joke) but I was actually looking into the future. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-itself-germans-divided-over-musks-apparent-nazi-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gestu...

6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago

> If everyone under the age of 30 was using an app run by Nazi Germany would you be okay with that? First answer: I would ask myself why people are using a nazi-made app, first. OTOH: the history of nazism in the US is more complicated than you think A glimpse of it is summarized in the wikipedia page about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_the_Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_the_Americas After all the US arrived first to the Moon thanks to "operation paperclip" and a a former nazi scientist.

chpatrick 2y ago
Let's say it's the same situation as now. They made a super addictive app that doesn't have any overt nazism but it's fully under the control of the NSDAP, we don't know how the algorithm works, and they can bias it anytime they like. It's extremely popular and most young people use it. Would you say this is fine, yes or no?
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
  > Would you say this is fine, yes or no? I would say I would totally be fine if the nazis made an app for kids to publish their goofy dancing videos instead of this [1], yes, absolutely yes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
  - chpatrick 2y ago
    Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism along with the goofy dancing videos?
    - 6P58r3MXJSLi 2y ago
      > Even if they can tune the algorithm at a whim to include just a bit of antisemitism You mean like all the US social networks banning or severely restricting the content on the slaughter being perpetrated in Palestina, mostly against innocent people and kids, while tik tok allowed it? The answer is still yes, instead of the holocaust I will gladly take an app with just a bit of antisemitism, that, BTW, is not lacking on the platforms we all use and originated in the USA https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemitism-remains-all-too-rampant-on-social-media/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/07/14/antisemit...
      - chpatrick 2y ago
        Okay, so you're fine with the nazi party feeding your kids antisemitism through their funny dancing video app, that clears things up.