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I'm an American too, and I DON’T trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart. Answer this: who has genocided 10s of millions? Who has crushed Ti
by cscurmudgeon 2y ago
I'm an American too, and I DON’T trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart.
Answer this: who has genocided 10s of millions? Who has crushed Tibet and threatens Taiwan?
CCP or Zuckerberg?
- ok123456 2y agoThen don't use it.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoYeah, and it is within my rights to call for controls over its ownership. After all, we are a free country. Just like one person getting vaccinated is useless, I want the country to be inoculated from insidious propaganda outside of democratic control and review. And it is within my rights to point out the hypocrisy of those who cry freedom https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-china-censorship-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-...
- ok123456 2y agoNo it's not.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoYes, it is. I am doing it right here though, lol.
- sanderjd 2y agoOf course it is. What point are you even trying to make?
- anon84873628 2y agoWell if you want to talk about genocide & Facebook... https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-how-facebook-contributed-to-genocide-in-myanmar-and-why-it-will-not-be-held-accountable/ https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-ho...
- Lionga 2y agoAmerica has genocided 10s of millions for what it is worth. From Native Americans to slaves to all the wars in the last years to "export democracy". If any country can rival China in killing people needlessly it is the USA for sure.
- Retric 2y agoIf you’re comparing either current or historic atrocities, China is going to lose badly. Trying to mix and match is obviously just disingenuous here.
- mancerayder 2y agoIn the 21st century the United States did this? In the 1980s? At what point do we compare countries in a modern era versus a bullet list of their historical record. By that standard, Norway, Sweden and Denmark should be shunned for their slavery, raping, looting and imperialist colonizing abroad -- in the 10-11th centuries.
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- wruza 2y agoNot to mention incarceration rates, 119 vs 541 people per 100k. 4.5x difference to an oppressive state.
- notavalleyman 2y agoHmm if Saddam killed 50 thousand innocent Iraqis each year, and American intervention only cost 40k lives each year ... Then do we deduct 10, or add 40, to the "ten million" number you came up with?
- wumeow 2y agoYou get one guess for who caused the spike on this graph of global deaths. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673618318919#fig2 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014067361...
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- wruza 2y agoNice substitution, now let’s try it in “ByteDance or US Govt” form. (Please don’t ask naively how US controls mass-media, no desire to follow up on that.)
- motorest 2y ago> Nice substitution, now let’s try it in “ByteDance or US Govt” form. Not substitution, and you somehow missed the fact that it's China's CCP, not ByteDance. It's China's CCP that acts through a de-facto shell corporation called ByteDance, the same CCP that stands behind the Uighur genocide, Tibet annexation, threat of invasion of Taiwan, etc. That's who you are defending as the desirable option.
- undersuit 2y agoYep, there are no rules in the US, anyone can own a company and do anything they want. There is no evil government pulling the stings from behind the curtain. https://www.fcc.gov/proceedings-actions/mergers-transactions/att-and-t-mobile https://www.fcc.gov/proceedings-actions/mergers-transactions... https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/biden-admin-delays-enforcement-order-blocking-nippon-steel-us-steel-deal-2025-01-12/ https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/biden-admin-delays-enf... https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chinese-owner-us-cfius-security-concerns-kunlun-lgbtq https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chine... Are you even aware of the context of the reasons why Tiktok went dark? Did they do it with no provocation? By accepting the US's arguments for the Tiktok ban we're just aligning ourselves with the same ideology of "the enemy" you're trying to malign.
- wruza 2y agoI didn't miss anything of that. It only seems to you because you happen to have a very blind eye on the literal inverse (I guess).
- juunpp 2y agoSee Myanmar for what Facebook has done.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoWhat do you suppose is gained by making CCP pay Zuckerberg for the privilege? Or are you proposing that he'd turn their money down? The US has done plenty of that sort of thing in south America and the middle east, but it has always had the extra burden of maintaining a narrative under which it was not doing those things. If we let the US ban services that are contrary to its narratives, what's left to stop the US from behaving like China even more than it already does?
- sanderjd 2y agoYeah we may have to cross that bridge later. (Indeed, I think it's a major concern that Musk controls Twitter and has demonstrated an inability to criticize the Chinese government time and time again.) But we can at least cross this bridge first.
- ok123456 2y agoTibet was a feudal society. The only people who were "crushed" were the people landowners and the elite monks. Both sides of the strait want the status quo in Taiwan for various reasons. Detent would be the correct approach instead of further military armament. It would be like if the Soviet Union continued to militarize Cuba from the Cuban missile crisis until the current day. I'm more concerned about the genocide in Gaza than some CIA assets in Germany playing make-believe.