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I'm an American too, and I trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart more than Zuckerberg or any meta product.
by ok123456 2y ago
I'm an American too, and I trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart more than Zuckerberg or any meta product.
- aborochoff 2y agoBecause youre ignorant of what china somewhere in the org chart means?
- ok123456 2y agoPlease share a source that's not a CIA funded NGO or think tank.
- sanderjd 2y ago"Please share a source" is an incredibly dumb retort in the realm of geopolitics. "Please share a source that the allied powers are going to invade the beaches of Normandy". You can't, because people are working incredibly hard to keep that secret.
- ok123456 2y agoSo you don't have any? ok.
- sanderjd 2y agoYes, there is very little public sourcing for what hostile powers plan to do in a geopolitical struggle. That's how it goes. It is perfectly reasonable to infer what might happen based on past actions by the specific powers, and on world history. Attempting to gain geopolitical influence through propaganda is nothing new.
- ok123456 2y agoSo we should "just trust" the same people who said that Saddam had WMDs?
- sanderjd 2y agoNo. But these are two very different fact patterns. In one case it was "we have specific evidence of something that should cause us to go to war". In this case it is "we can infer that a hostile foreign power will use a straightforward conduit to push propaganda to our populace if we come into conflict". It's defense, not offense.
- jkubicek 2y agoWhat can China do to our social networks that is materially different than what American tech companies are already doing today? Maybe I'm being naive because I don't use TikTok, but all the partisan misinformation I see is being spread by either Americans on American social networks or maybe Russian disinformation bots operating on American social networks.
- varsketiz 2y agoGiven enough time - subvert your government. Take control of your country :))
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- varsketiz 2y agoJust say what you came to say, instead of asking these questions.
- nthingtohide 2y agoThe only reason anything America ever does is to make sure others don't ever have the power to stand up to stop the shenanigans it plans for the world. i.e. so called Rules Based Order.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoI'm an American too, and I DON’T trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart. Answer this: who has genocided 10s of millions? Who has crushed Tibet and threatens Taiwan? CCP or Zuckerberg?
- ok123456 2y agoThen don't use it.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoYeah, and it is within my rights to call for controls over its ownership. After all, we are a free country. Just like one person getting vaccinated is useless, I want the country to be inoculated from insidious propaganda outside of democratic control and review. And it is within my rights to point out the hypocrisy of those who cry freedom https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-china-censorship-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-...
- ok123456 2y agoNo it's not.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoYes, it is. I am doing it right here though, lol.
- sanderjd 2y agoOf course it is. What point are you even trying to make?
- anon84873628 2y agoWell if you want to talk about genocide & Facebook... https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-how-facebook-contributed-to-genocide-in-myanmar-and-why-it-will-not-be-held-accountable/ https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-ho...
- feyman_r 2y agoCan you recommend some social apps from China that we may have not paid attention to? I’m assuming there’s a list more than ‘RedNote’. I tried using WeChat but it’s not where my network hangs, unfortunately. You probably know some that have enough non-China presence.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoWhy not just use RedNote? It has all the freedom that is deprived in the US [1]. /s [1] https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-china-censorship-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-...
- infecto 2y agoYou almost fooled me with the sarcasm. I am concerned with how many folks in this thread have massive sympathy for China. No doubt the West has had many issues and continues to do so but China is getting painted here as the bastion of freedom and openness. That they trust a Chinese app more than Meta when it’s absolutely worse in mainland then the lives they have in the West.
- bdangubic 2y agowith china wysiwyg, with USA you believe you have freedom of ____ (you don’t) and you believe “US-owned” (X is not, hence the quotes) social media is in any way “net positive” for its citizens…
- infecto 2y agoNot sure what your point is? Why are you using quotes on something I did not even say? Weird.
- bdangubic 2y agoNo doubt the West has had many issues and continues to do so This … you are right in that West has issue … where you are wrong is that the issues are just as dangerous (if not A LOT more) than China. I quoted “US-owned” cause one of the biggest social media platforms that everyone considers “West” is owned by an African
- infecto 2y agoIs the hate for Meta so great that you actually trust a Chinese app more? China absolutely has zero privacy protection and everything explicitly runs through the great censor wall. Don’t mince words. Meta absolutely has issues with data collection but it’s comical to think they somehow China is better.
- cameronh90 2y agoWhat are China going to do to with my data that US companies haven't already done?
- brandonmenc 2y agoHelp China's military.
- sanderjd 2y agoIt has nothing to do with your data. That whole thing is a red herring. The risk with TikTok is that it presents media entirely algorithmically, and that algorithm is controllable by the Chinese government and is opaque to everyone else.
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- infecto 2y agoYes retribution against Jack Ma is most certainly evidence that China is better. If you have a better example that this retribution case I am all ears. Comical you pick the first and single case that is directly tied to the Jack Ma incident.
- juliusgeo 2y agoI'm curious about your third assertion--I am definitely not a fan of the US government's current laissez-faire approach to regulation, but I was able to find a few examples of the US levying larger fines: British Petroleum (total settlement was 20b, but the Clean Water Act penalty was only 5.5b): https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-and-five-gulf-states-reach-historic-settlement-bp-resolve-civil-lawsuit-over-deepwater https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-and-five-gulf-states-reach... Wells Fargo: has had so many scandals, some of which were over 3b: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-pay-3-billion-resolve-criminal-and-civil-investigations-sales-practices https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-pay-3-bill... In the article you linked, it mentions that this fine was 2.75b, or, 4% of Alibaba's 2019 revenue. I'm not knowledgeable enough in finance to state this as fact, but it looks like BP had a total revenue of 222B in 2015 [1]. 5.5b/222b = 2.47%. The total settlement would be 20b/222b = 9.01% Now, obviously there are many examples of companies being fined paltry amounts for massive violations in the US, and I'm not sure how to reconcile 5.5b for destroying an entire ocean ecosystem vs roughly the same fine for anti-trust violations. But I don't think it's true that the US never enforces its laws against large and valuable companies. Do you know of any good sources that compare the history of corporate fines in China vs the US in more detail? [1] https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/investors/bp-annual-report-and-form-20f-2015.pdf https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/c...
- sanderjd 2y agoWell that's very naive. It sounds like reverse polarization. Thing A is so bad that Thing B is less bad just because it isn't Thing A.
- lqstuart 2y agoI'm an American, and I have worked for both Zuck-owned and Chinese-owned companies, and you really, REALLY might want to re-think your stance. It's extremely ironic that we as Americans have this "question authority" thing so deeply ingrained in our DNA that it pushes us towards authoritarianism just to be contrarian.