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You are basically saying American adults are impressionable children hence cannot be trusted to participate in elections held by US electoral institutions.

alickz 2y ago
Americans are humans and all humans are susceptible to advertising/propaganda
- groggo 2y ago
  this is the cost of free speech. it has to be, or free speech is meaningless. yes speech influences people.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  so we ban all advertising/“propaganda”? who gets to decide what is or isn’t propaganda if we gonna ban it?
  - alickz 2y ago
    > who gets to decide what is or isn’t propaganda if we gonna ban it? in a representative republic that would ideally be the elected representatives
grajaganDev 2y ago
I am saying that but would prefer to state it this way: Individuals are not equipped to recognized and counter the effects of highly sophisticated influence operations run by adversaries with enormous resources.
photonthug 2y ago
And you are basically saying that despite decades of focused high-stakes research into the matter, propaganda doesn't work at all on the masses, and that algorithmic manipulation of people is simply impossible? How could anyone take that idea seriously.. global advertising spend is approaching like a trillion dollars every year.
- Timber-6539 2y ago
  Why not call for the dismantling of the global advertising networks in the US rather than Tiktok since you think it is a giant propaganda machine? Saying a foreign nation has the capability to brainwash your citizens into making a vote is propaganda by itself. It's not only cheap and imbecilic, it's a waste of everybody's time.
  - grajaganDev 2y ago
    >Why not call for the dismantling of the global advertising networks in the US Yes, we should do this also.
  - photonthug 2y ago
    It’s not cheap, that’s the point.. ads as an industry moves more money every year than the pentagon. That’s a lot of people betting that algorithmic influence campaigns work. Are you saying everyone is wrong about this but you, or is your position is that influence campaigns work for brands but not for nation states? Or nation states would not try? Or what?

alickz 2y ago

Americans are humans and all humans are susceptible to advertising/propaganda

groggo 2y ago
this is the cost of free speech. it has to be, or free speech is meaningless. yes speech influences people.
bdangubic 2y ago
so we ban all advertising/“propaganda”? who gets to decide what is or isn’t propaganda if we gonna ban it?
- alickz 2y ago
  > who gets to decide what is or isn’t propaganda if we gonna ban it? in a representative republic that would ideally be the elected representatives

grajaganDev 2y ago

I am saying that but would prefer to state it this way: Individuals are not equipped to recognized and counter the effects of highly sophisticated influence operations run by adversaries with enormous resources.

photonthug 2y ago

And you are basically saying that despite decades of focused high-stakes research into the matter, propaganda doesn't work at all on the masses, and that algorithmic manipulation of people is simply impossible? How could anyone take that idea seriously.. global advertising spend is approaching like a trillion dollars every year.

Timber-6539 2y ago
Why not call for the dismantling of the global advertising networks in the US rather than Tiktok since you think it is a giant propaganda machine? Saying a foreign nation has the capability to brainwash your citizens into making a vote is propaganda by itself. It's not only cheap and imbecilic, it's a waste of everybody's time.
- grajaganDev 2y ago
  >Why not call for the dismantling of the global advertising networks in the US Yes, we should do this also.
- photonthug 2y ago
  It’s not cheap, that’s the point.. ads as an industry moves more money every year than the pentagon. That’s a lot of people betting that algorithmic influence campaigns work. Are you saying everyone is wrong about this but you, or is your position is that influence campaigns work for brands but not for nation states? Or nation states would not try? Or what?