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The Tiktok ban is an attempt to herd the Tiktok customers to Meta products. Nothing more.

by buyucu 2y ago

nickburns 2y ago
In your opinion. That's not the rationale proffered in the legislation however.
- buyucu 2y ago
  because politicians are honest and don't lie, right?
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  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    It also wasn't the rationale proffered in the arguments to the US Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.
    - metalman 2y ago
      There was no evidence disclosed, the "arguments" ha!, are speculation based on hearsay, and nothing else. The whole episode shows a disregard for the US constitution and mountains of legal precident on these matters. 170 million citizens made a choice, and they have been denied any disclosure as to why they are being prohibited from conducting there own affairs and business, under the guise of national security, backed up with may,might,could. Good look, that.
      - nozzlegear 2y ago
        What evidence did you expect them to disclose? If it's a matter of national security, it's not going to be released publicly. > The whole episode shows a disregard for the US constitution and mountains of legal precident on these matters. I disagree. There's plenty of precedent for this, we have laws on the books for over 100 years that prevent foreign ownership of American media. In those days it was newspapers, radio and later tv stations – in fact those laws a large part of why Rupert Murdoch became an American citizen. This law is just the modern version of those previous laws. You might disagree with them, but there's plenty of precedent.
squarefoot 2y ago
Although there already is some overlap, younger generations would not adapt easily to a different platform; also the new US administration has different plans than the past one, and from their perspective controlling TikTok is way more useful than destroying it.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  Based off of the way President Trump is characterized and how he acts behind the scenes in Bob Woodward's reporting on his presidency/campaigning, my suspicion is that Trump has offered a lifeline to TikTok for two reasons: A) he wants to look like the "hero" in the media, which is always important to him; and B) he wants to use the threat of banning TikTok as leverage to get something from China and Xi. I'd pay attention to any talk of deals or tariffs with China in the next few months to learn the true fate of TikTok.
  - netsharc 2y ago
    It smells more like, "About that sale, let me give you more time to reconsider.", I can imagine Elmo would be interested in seizing more eyeballs for his great "jokes and memes" as well as owning yet another communication medium for his supported "Anti-Woke"-movement, but sadly for him TikTok isn't willing to surrender so far. And Zuck has nakedly been shown to be the opportunitist, so he doesn't want to lose this chance either.
ansy 2y ago
Many other reasons to ban TikTok, including many examples related to national security already in place for the US and its allies on government and military devices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok

The Tiktok ban is an attempt to herd the Tiktok customers to Meta products. Nothing more.

by buyucu 2y ago

The Tiktok ban is an attempt to herd the Tiktok customers to Meta products. Nothing more.

nickburns 2y ago

In your opinion. That's not the rationale proffered in the legislation however.

buyucu 2y ago
because politicians are honest and don't lie, right?
- deleted 2y ago
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- nozzlegear 2y ago
  It also wasn't the rationale proffered in the arguments to the US Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.
  - metalman 2y ago
    There was no evidence disclosed, the "arguments" ha!, are speculation based on hearsay, and nothing else. The whole episode shows a disregard for the US constitution and mountains of legal precident on these matters. 170 million citizens made a choice, and they have been denied any disclosure as to why they are being prohibited from conducting there own affairs and business, under the guise of national security, backed up with may,might,could. Good look, that.
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      What evidence did you expect them to disclose? If it's a matter of national security, it's not going to be released publicly. > The whole episode shows a disregard for the US constitution and mountains of legal precident on these matters. I disagree. There's plenty of precedent for this, we have laws on the books for over 100 years that prevent foreign ownership of American media. In those days it was newspapers, radio and later tv stations – in fact those laws a large part of why Rupert Murdoch became an American citizen. This law is just the modern version of those previous laws. You might disagree with them, but there's plenty of precedent.

squarefoot 2y ago

Although there already is some overlap, younger generations would not adapt easily to a different platform; also the new US administration has different plans than the past one, and from their perspective controlling TikTok is way more useful than destroying it.

nozzlegear 2y ago
Based off of the way President Trump is characterized and how he acts behind the scenes in Bob Woodward's reporting on his presidency/campaigning, my suspicion is that Trump has offered a lifeline to TikTok for two reasons: A) he wants to look like the "hero" in the media, which is always important to him; and B) he wants to use the threat of banning TikTok as leverage to get something from China and Xi. I'd pay attention to any talk of deals or tariffs with China in the next few months to learn the true fate of TikTok.
- netsharc 2y ago
  It smells more like, "About that sale, let me give you more time to reconsider.", I can imagine Elmo would be interested in seizing more eyeballs for his great "jokes and memes" as well as owning yet another communication medium for his supported "Anti-Woke"-movement, but sadly for him TikTok isn't willing to surrender so far. And Zuck has nakedly been shown to be the opportunitist, so he doesn't want to lose this chance either.

ansy 2y ago

Many other reasons to ban TikTok, including many examples related to national security already in place for the US and its allies on government and military devices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok