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Do you have any evidence supporting anything you claimed as a matter of fact? "grey zone conflicts", "aggressively weaponized", "national security circles" are

Do you have any evidence supporting anything you claimed as a matter of fact? "grey zone conflicts", "aggressively weaponized", "national security circles" are just scary/serious sounding phrases that sound a lot more legitimate than I suspect they actually are. AOC published a video talking about how she (and some other representatives) believed that the arguments that were presented to them were just as vague, nonspecific and theoretical as these online arguments I keep reading.

joenot443 2y ago
Grey Zone is a pretty well documented concept in geopolitics, it's a fascinating read if you're interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone_(international_relations) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone_(international_relat...
op00to 2y ago
Gray zone conflicts: Evidence shows that China, Russia, and other foreign governments are actively using social media to manipulate and influence Americans through covert and deceptive tactics. “Aggressively weaponized”: These conflicts rely on information as a primary weapon because it is more cost-effective and impactful than traditional warfare. “National security circles”: This term commonly refers to the U.S. security establishment, including its agencies and defense systems.
TrackerFF 2y ago
Well, you have the recent Romanian election. Pro-Russian, right-wing candidate (Calin Georgescu) with zero funding becomes leading candidate overnight. Turns out there's coordinate campaigns to push him on social media channels, like TikTok, where tens of thousands of accounts were opened a couple of weeks prior to polls opening. All pushing Calin. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2v13nz202o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2v13nz202o
- quotemstr 2y ago
  So what? People freely chose to vote for Calin. He won. Why does it matter how these voters came to their decisions? Deep down, the sorts of people who'd ban TikTok and overturn the Romanian election are those who believe they, not the people collectively, get to weigh the merit of ideas. They see democracy as a rubber stamp for elite consensus. If the rubber stamp malfunctions, it's time to fix it. This attitude is a betrayal of centuries of liberal values that made this country and the west generally what it is today.
  - TrackerFF 2y ago
    It's a national risk, simple as that.
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joenot443 2y ago

Grey Zone is a pretty well documented concept in geopolitics, it's a fascinating read if you're interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone_(international_relations) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey-zone_(international_relat...

op00to 2y ago

Gray zone conflicts: Evidence shows that China, Russia, and other foreign governments are actively using social media to manipulate and influence Americans through covert and deceptive tactics. “Aggressively weaponized”: These conflicts rely on information as a primary weapon because it is more cost-effective and impactful than traditional warfare. “National security circles”: This term commonly refers to the U.S. security establishment, including its agencies and defense systems.

TrackerFF 2y ago

Well, you have the recent Romanian election. Pro-Russian, right-wing candidate (Calin Georgescu) with zero funding becomes leading candidate overnight. Turns out there's coordinate campaigns to push him on social media channels, like TikTok, where tens of thousands of accounts were opened a couple of weeks prior to polls opening. All pushing Calin. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2v13nz202o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2v13nz202o

quotemstr 2y ago
So what? People freely chose to vote for Calin. He won. Why does it matter how these voters came to their decisions? Deep down, the sorts of people who'd ban TikTok and overturn the Romanian election are those who believe they, not the people collectively, get to weigh the merit of ideas. They see democracy as a rubber stamp for elite consensus. If the rubber stamp malfunctions, it's time to fix it. This attitude is a betrayal of centuries of liberal values that made this country and the west generally what it is today.
- TrackerFF 2y ago
  It's a national risk, simple as that.
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