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They gave bytedance plenty of time to to sell. And TikTok would've not been cheap. I'm not a fan of the ban, mind you, but it's not like they were ordered to l

They gave bytedance plenty of time to to sell. And TikTok would've not been cheap. I'm not a fan of the ban, mind you, but it's not like they were ordered to leave the country.

chvid 2y ago
As it looks now Trump will facilitate a deal within 90 days - Biden could have done that and left the US with a much healthier media landscape. You are free to call Biden more principled but to me it looks like a shot in the foot.
suraci 2y ago
Sounds like the mafia. I wish CPC could do the same thing to Telsa and Apple, or even to kidnap Tim Cook just like how they kidnapped Meng Wanzhou, gee, that would be thrilling
- epolanski 2y ago
  But the Chinese actually have very stringent law that makes operating there impossible.
- girvo 2y ago
  The CCP flat out bans most western countries from even operating, and has absolutely kidnapped businesspeople (and normal civilians).
- motorest 2y ago
  > Sounds like the mafia. You're taking a decision to protect national interests that safeguards investor's interests, and here you are spinning it with "mafia" nonsense. Pray tell, how do you address the problem of having a totalitarian regime manipulating and spying on your whole country? Do you try to shut down the operation? Or do you argue they should continue their psyops operations because otherwise it "sounds like the mafia"?
- bluebarbet 2y ago
  Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Acronyms are like variable names, we would do better to use the right one and then stick to it.
  - suraci 2y ago
    > Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Glad you pointed out the details. CPC is the correct official name. If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. funny I just saw something similar in other thread: > I will use the term Ruzzia and Ruzzians to identify the Zed regime and the Zed patriots, Ruzzian != Russian, Ruzzian = a Zed patriot, a imperialist Russian or Putin fanboy, proud to stick a Zed on his face,body or property At least he's honest, I do appreciate that
    - quesera 2y ago
      > If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. Do you think there's a meaningful difference between the (official) "Communist Party of China" and the (colloquial) "Chinese Communist Party"? It seems like if derogation was the goal, you could come up with something more effective than an equivalent translation. There's a US federal agency called the CPC. Disambiguation could be a reasonable explanation.
      - suraci 2y ago
        there're no such thing like 'colloquial' name as CCP it's used by the US officials by decades, and it's an old trick used by US intelligences to disturbe informations like when you search 'CCP' and 'CPC', you'll get totally different results 'CCP' is not the colloquial name, it's the name Americans heard days and days from their government's propaganda Let's just be honest with each other I confess I use the name 'Amerika' to expresse certain meanings
winternewt 2y ago
The ban is not targeted directly at TikTok but at the app stores, which will have to pay a fine of $5000 per user if they keep the app available in the store.
- beowulfey 2y ago
  If that were true then you would be able to log in through a browser, and you cannot.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Because it’s a stunt. TikTok didn’t need to do that.
  - jrochkind1 2y ago
    You can again where I am. Have you checked recently? They voluntarily took it down, and now brought back up. If it remains gone from the app stores, I imagine they will eventually take it down again. The text of the law is something you can look up yourself, we don't have to argue about it! https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...

They gave bytedance plenty of time to to sell. And TikTok would've not been cheap. I'm not a fan of the ban, mind you, but it's not like they were ordered to leave the country.

chvid 2y ago

As it looks now Trump will facilitate a deal within 90 days - Biden could have done that and left the US with a much healthier media landscape. You are free to call Biden more principled but to me it looks like a shot in the foot.

suraci 2y ago

Sounds like the mafia. I wish CPC could do the same thing to Telsa and Apple, or even to kidnap Tim Cook just like how they kidnapped Meng Wanzhou, gee, that would be thrilling

epolanski 2y ago
But the Chinese actually have very stringent law that makes operating there impossible.
girvo 2y ago
The CCP flat out bans most western countries from even operating, and has absolutely kidnapped businesspeople (and normal civilians).
motorest 2y ago
> Sounds like the mafia. You're taking a decision to protect national interests that safeguards investor's interests, and here you are spinning it with "mafia" nonsense. Pray tell, how do you address the problem of having a totalitarian regime manipulating and spying on your whole country? Do you try to shut down the operation? Or do you argue they should continue their psyops operations because otherwise it "sounds like the mafia"?
bluebarbet 2y ago
Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Acronyms are like variable names, we would do better to use the right one and then stick to it.
- suraci 2y ago
  > Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Glad you pointed out the details. CPC is the correct official name. If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. funny I just saw something similar in other thread: > I will use the term Ruzzia and Ruzzians to identify the Zed regime and the Zed patriots, Ruzzian != Russian, Ruzzian = a Zed patriot, a imperialist Russian or Putin fanboy, proud to stick a Zed on his face,body or property At least he's honest, I do appreciate that
  - quesera 2y ago
    > If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. Do you think there's a meaningful difference between the (official) "Communist Party of China" and the (colloquial) "Chinese Communist Party"? It seems like if derogation was the goal, you could come up with something more effective than an equivalent translation. There's a US federal agency called the CPC. Disambiguation could be a reasonable explanation.
    - suraci 2y ago
      there're no such thing like 'colloquial' name as CCP it's used by the US officials by decades, and it's an old trick used by US intelligences to disturbe informations like when you search 'CCP' and 'CPC', you'll get totally different results 'CCP' is not the colloquial name, it's the name Americans heard days and days from their government's propaganda Let's just be honest with each other I confess I use the name 'Amerika' to expresse certain meanings

winternewt 2y ago

The ban is not targeted directly at TikTok but at the app stores, which will have to pay a fine of $5000 per user if they keep the app available in the store.

beowulfey 2y ago
If that were true then you would be able to log in through a browser, and you cannot.
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  Because it’s a stunt. TikTok didn’t need to do that.
- jrochkind1 2y ago
  You can again where I am. Have you checked recently? They voluntarily took it down, and now brought back up. If it remains gone from the app stores, I imagine they will eventually take it down again. The text of the law is something you can look up yourself, we don't have to argue about it! https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...