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Biden could have cut a deal with TikTok instead of this. That would have left the US with a least one major social media not in the pocket of Trump.

by chvid 2y ago

epolanski 2y ago
They gave bytedance plenty of time to to sell. And TikTok would've not been cheap. I'm not a fan of the ban, mind you, but it's not like they were ordered to leave the country.
- chvid 2y ago
  As it looks now Trump will facilitate a deal within 90 days - Biden could have done that and left the US with a much healthier media landscape. You are free to call Biden more principled but to me it looks like a shot in the foot.
- suraci 2y ago
  Sounds like the mafia. I wish CPC could do the same thing to Telsa and Apple, or even to kidnap Tim Cook just like how they kidnapped Meng Wanzhou, gee, that would be thrilling
  - epolanski 2y ago
    But the Chinese actually have very stringent law that makes operating there impossible.
  - girvo 2y ago
    The CCP flat out bans most western countries from even operating, and has absolutely kidnapped businesspeople (and normal civilians).
  - motorest 2y ago
    > Sounds like the mafia. You're taking a decision to protect national interests that safeguards investor's interests, and here you are spinning it with "mafia" nonsense. Pray tell, how do you address the problem of having a totalitarian regime manipulating and spying on your whole country? Do you try to shut down the operation? Or do you argue they should continue their psyops operations because otherwise it "sounds like the mafia"?
  - bluebarbet 2y ago
    Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Acronyms are like variable names, we would do better to use the right one and then stick to it.
    - suraci 2y ago
      > Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Glad you pointed out the details. CPC is the correct official name. If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. funny I just saw something similar in other thread: > I will use the term Ruzzia and Ruzzians to identify the Zed regime and the Zed patriots, Ruzzian != Russian, Ruzzian = a Zed patriot, a imperialist Russian or Putin fanboy, proud to stick a Zed on his face,body or property At least he's honest, I do appreciate that
      - quesera 2y ago
        > If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. Do you think there's a meaningful difference between the (official) "Communist Party of China" and the (colloquial) "Chinese Communist Party"? It seems like if derogation was the goal, you could come up with something more effective than an equivalent translation. There's a US federal agency called the CPC. Disambiguation could be a reasonable explanation.
        suraci 2y ago
        there're no such thing like 'colloquial' name as CCP it's used by the US officials by decades, and it's an old trick used by US intelligences to disturbe informations like when you search 'CCP' and 'CPC', you'll get totally different results 'CCP' is not the colloquial name, it's the name Americans heard days and days from their government's propaganda Let's just be honest with each other I confess I use the name 'Amerika' to expresse certain meanings
- winternewt 2y ago
  The ban is not targeted directly at TikTok but at the app stores, which will have to pay a fine of $5000 per user if they keep the app available in the store.
  - beowulfey 2y ago
    If that were true then you would be able to log in through a browser, and you cannot.
    - firesteelrain 2y ago
      Because it’s a stunt. TikTok didn’t need to do that.
    - jrochkind1 2y ago
      You can again where I am. Have you checked recently? They voluntarily took it down, and now brought back up. If it remains gone from the app stores, I imagine they will eventually take it down again. The text of the law is something you can look up yourself, we don't have to argue about it! https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...
motorest 2y ago
> Biden could have cut a deal with TikTok instead of this. That would have left the US with a least one major social media not in the pocket of Trump. This take is extremely disingenuous. TikTok is a espionage and propaganda vector currently controlled by China's ruling regime. The only decision at this point is whether China continues to operate their propaganda and intelligence operation with free reign within the US. The only question at this point is whether Trump is in the pocket of the CCP. TikTok's propaganda is clearly targeting Trump. I mean, ByteDance rejected a sale and instructed TikTok to unitalerally turn the lights off and post messages on how Trump was their savior. This is extremely transparent. There is nothing Biden could do to counter this. What makes your take extremely disingenuous is the fact that you are arguing that Biden should fold to the CCP's pressure to continue their propaganda and intelligence campaign within the US, and you're trying to frame this somehow as keeping a major social not in the pocket of Trump. As if Trump is the issue.
Ferret7446 2y ago
What are you referring to? The majority of news media are left leaning.
- redeux 2y ago
  That's simply untrue and has been for a long time. Between Sinclair, Fox, and Twitter, more Americans consume far right media than left leaning media. Reality way have a well known liberal bias, but the American news media does not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stations_owned_or_operated_by_Sinclair_Broadcast_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stations_owned_or_oper... https://deadline.com/2024/12/cable-news-ratings-2024-fox-news-cnn-msnbc-1236243730/ https://deadline.com/2024/12/cable-news-ratings-2024-fox-new...
  - bluebarbet 2y ago
    >Reality way have a well known liberal bias This was unnecessary and undermines your otherwise valid point.
  - fidotron 2y ago
    > That's simply untrue and has been for a long time. Between Sinclair, Fox, and Twitter, more Americans consume far right media than left leaning media. Pedantic, but that's not the same thing as the parent claim. Consumers consuming more from one end does not mean that there isn't more of the other.
- llm_nerd 2y ago
  Are people really still claiming this? Epstein friend Donald Trump is a rapist, felon, charity-stealing serial liar with a God complex. He is an undeniably stupid man who has a hilarious blindness to his own idiocy. His first term was one disaster after another. His second is likely to end the American Empire: If it doesn't lead to the dissolution of the Union, it will destroy America economically and geopolitically. The era of China's dominance begins tomorrow. The majority of news media, including supposedly "Liberal" venues like the NYT, have been sane washing this corrupt trashman for the years. That he got the nomination and then won the election was entirely courtesy of a bought and paid for media. There is literally no low that is even really notable any more -- oh look, the felon conman launched a new shitcoin crypto to extract billions more from the presidency...eh, whatever -- yet any misstep by his opponents received nonstop coverage. The US is toast. Short of a literal armed revolution or armies of Luigis, your country is done. It has been overthrown by the stupid who are being levered by the oligarchs. And just to be clear, US politics has been astonishingly corrupt for decades. We all knew it. This is the end result. It's the Stage 4 cancer that is the end of the line for the US political system. It was an inevitable idiocracy.

Biden could have cut a deal with TikTok instead of this. That would have left the US with a least one major social media not in the pocket of Trump.

by chvid 2y ago

Biden could have cut a deal with TikTok instead of this. That would have left the US with a least one major social media not in the pocket of Trump.

epolanski 2y ago

They gave bytedance plenty of time to to sell. And TikTok would've not been cheap. I'm not a fan of the ban, mind you, but it's not like they were ordered to leave the country.

chvid 2y ago
As it looks now Trump will facilitate a deal within 90 days - Biden could have done that and left the US with a much healthier media landscape. You are free to call Biden more principled but to me it looks like a shot in the foot.
suraci 2y ago
Sounds like the mafia. I wish CPC could do the same thing to Telsa and Apple, or even to kidnap Tim Cook just like how they kidnapped Meng Wanzhou, gee, that would be thrilling
- epolanski 2y ago
  But the Chinese actually have very stringent law that makes operating there impossible.
- girvo 2y ago
  The CCP flat out bans most western countries from even operating, and has absolutely kidnapped businesspeople (and normal civilians).
- motorest 2y ago
  > Sounds like the mafia. You're taking a decision to protect national interests that safeguards investor's interests, and here you are spinning it with "mafia" nonsense. Pray tell, how do you address the problem of having a totalitarian regime manipulating and spying on your whole country? Do you try to shut down the operation? Or do you argue they should continue their psyops operations because otherwise it "sounds like the mafia"?
- bluebarbet 2y ago
  Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Acronyms are like variable names, we would do better to use the right one and then stick to it.
  - suraci 2y ago
    > Thank you for using the correct acronym (CPC, Communist Party of China) rather than the incorrect acronym-of-the-colloquial-variant CCP, which seems to be achieving ascendancy in the discourse. Glad you pointed out the details. CPC is the correct official name. If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. funny I just saw something similar in other thread: > I will use the term Ruzzia and Ruzzians to identify the Zed regime and the Zed patriots, Ruzzian != Russian, Ruzzian = a Zed patriot, a imperialist Russian or Putin fanboy, proud to stick a Zed on his face,body or property At least he's honest, I do appreciate that
    - quesera 2y ago
      > If someone insists on using CCP, here's my speculation, it usually means they have been heavily influenced by anti-communist propaganda and narratives from the U.S. government, or they are deliberately using the incorrect name to be derogatory. Do you think there's a meaningful difference between the (official) "Communist Party of China" and the (colloquial) "Chinese Communist Party"? It seems like if derogation was the goal, you could come up with something more effective than an equivalent translation. There's a US federal agency called the CPC. Disambiguation could be a reasonable explanation.
      - suraci 2y ago
        there're no such thing like 'colloquial' name as CCP it's used by the US officials by decades, and it's an old trick used by US intelligences to disturbe informations like when you search 'CCP' and 'CPC', you'll get totally different results 'CCP' is not the colloquial name, it's the name Americans heard days and days from their government's propaganda Let's just be honest with each other I confess I use the name 'Amerika' to expresse certain meanings
winternewt 2y ago
The ban is not targeted directly at TikTok but at the app stores, which will have to pay a fine of $5000 per user if they keep the app available in the store.
- beowulfey 2y ago
  If that were true then you would be able to log in through a browser, and you cannot.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    Because it’s a stunt. TikTok didn’t need to do that.
  - jrochkind1 2y ago
    You can again where I am. Have you checked recently? They voluntarily took it down, and now brought back up. If it remains gone from the app stores, I imagine they will eventually take it down again. The text of the law is something you can look up yourself, we don't have to argue about it! https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...

motorest 2y ago

> Biden could have cut a deal with TikTok instead of this. That would have left the US with a least one major social media not in the pocket of Trump. This take is extremely disingenuous. TikTok is a espionage and propaganda vector currently controlled by China's ruling regime. The only decision at this point is whether China continues to operate their propaganda and intelligence operation with free reign within the US. The only question at this point is whether Trump is in the pocket of the CCP. TikTok's propaganda is clearly targeting Trump. I mean, ByteDance rejected a sale and instructed TikTok to unitalerally turn the lights off and post messages on how Trump was their savior. This is extremely transparent. There is nothing Biden could do to counter this. What makes your take extremely disingenuous is the fact that you are arguing that Biden should fold to the CCP's pressure to continue their propaganda and intelligence campaign within the US, and you're trying to frame this somehow as keeping a major social not in the pocket of Trump. As if Trump is the issue.

Ferret7446 2y ago

What are you referring to? The majority of news media are left leaning.

redeux 2y ago
That's simply untrue and has been for a long time. Between Sinclair, Fox, and Twitter, more Americans consume far right media than left leaning media. Reality way have a well known liberal bias, but the American news media does not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stations_owned_or_operated_by_Sinclair_Broadcast_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stations_owned_or_oper... https://deadline.com/2024/12/cable-news-ratings-2024-fox-news-cnn-msnbc-1236243730/ https://deadline.com/2024/12/cable-news-ratings-2024-fox-new...
- bluebarbet 2y ago
  >Reality way have a well known liberal bias This was unnecessary and undermines your otherwise valid point.
- fidotron 2y ago
  > That's simply untrue and has been for a long time. Between Sinclair, Fox, and Twitter, more Americans consume far right media than left leaning media. Pedantic, but that's not the same thing as the parent claim. Consumers consuming more from one end does not mean that there isn't more of the other.
llm_nerd 2y ago
Are people really still claiming this? Epstein friend Donald Trump is a rapist, felon, charity-stealing serial liar with a God complex. He is an undeniably stupid man who has a hilarious blindness to his own idiocy. His first term was one disaster after another. His second is likely to end the American Empire: If it doesn't lead to the dissolution of the Union, it will destroy America economically and geopolitically. The era of China's dominance begins tomorrow. The majority of news media, including supposedly "Liberal" venues like the NYT, have been sane washing this corrupt trashman for the years. That he got the nomination and then won the election was entirely courtesy of a bought and paid for media. There is literally no low that is even really notable any more -- oh look, the felon conman launched a new shitcoin crypto to extract billions more from the presidency...eh, whatever -- yet any misstep by his opponents received nonstop coverage. The US is toast. Short of a literal armed revolution or armies of Luigis, your country is done. It has been overthrown by the stupid who are being levered by the oligarchs. And just to be clear, US politics has been astonishingly corrupt for decades. We all knew it. This is the end result. It's the Stage 4 cancer that is the end of the line for the US political system. It was an inevitable idiocracy.