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"And TikTok has special characteristics—a foreign adversary's ability to leverage its control over the platform to collect vast amounts of personal data from 17

"And TikTok has special characteristics—a foreign adversary's ability to leverage its control over the platform to collect vast amounts of personal data from 170 million U. S. users—that justify this differential treatment. [S]peaker distinctions of this nature are not presumed in- valid under the First Amendment." Unanimous decision to ban TikTok from a divided Supreme Court, 2025.

ImHereToVote 2y ago
China can buy private data from Metastasis just like anyone else. This argument is bunk.
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  What is Metastasis?
  - westmeal 2y ago
    Meta.
  - user_of_the_wek 2y ago
    It‘s spreading cancer.
  - junto 2y ago
    Play on words I assume. - Meta - Facebook et al - Stasi (an abbreviation of Staatssicherheit), was the state security service and secret police of East Germany from 1950 to 1990. It was one of the most repressive police organisations in the world, infiltrating almost every aspect of life in East Germany, using torture, intimidation and a vast network of informants to crush dissent
    - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
      I doubt Meta is going to sell their most valuable asset to a competitor.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
  Buying aggregated data is in no way comparable to owning the collection method itself.
  - t0bia_s 2y ago
    Why? In both ways, users do it voluntarily, by agreeing with terms of use. You don't have to use those platforms.
- gorbachev 2y ago
  Despite the downvotes, this is entirely accurate. The privacy / data protection angle on TikTok is a red herring. There are other ways China, or anyone else, including any one of us, can get their hands on vast amounts of personal data about anybody. It just costs more than operating a profitable social media platform. All you need to do is flash a few bucks and talk nicely to a data broker, or Meta (remember Cambridge Analytica?) and there's nothing the US Government or you can do about it, because it's entirely legal. The minimal barriers that are in place to protect the data going into "wrong" hands are trivial to bypass. And if that doesn't work, the next level up in difficulty is hack the same organizations. China has made an industry out of that.
  - falleng0d 2y ago
    this is not really the main concern. the real danger posed by TikTok is the ability to easily influence on a large scale.
    - diggan 2y ago
      I feel like it's important to include "the ability for China to easily [...]" since that's probably the top reason TikTok is affected by this and not others who are identically able to "easily influence on a large scale".
    - imiric 2y ago
      I don't get how more people don't realize this. Yes, all domestic media has also been corrupted by various agencies that wish to psychologically manipulate the masses. Some of this manipulation is to get you to buy things, while other wants to get you to think, act or vote a certain way. The difference is that when a foreign adversary has the ability to do the same, it becomes a matter of national security. Allowing that adversary to also control the platform itself is beyond unsafe. The tricky thing is that the US built these tools, and opened them up for everyone to use. This libertarian position is what will ultimately be its downfall. They can't just go and block access to these tools for everyone outside the US, or heavily regulate them, as it will cause an internal uproar, but that is what they must do in order to survive this war. China is in a much better position in this conflict since the government has total control over the media its citizens consume (barring the rampant use of VPNs, which they can shut down at any point). They have no external but massive internal influence. I feel like everyone should watch this 1985 interview of an ex-KGB agent[1]. It's more relevant today than ever before, and explains the sociopolitical state of not just the US, but of many western countries as well. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8
tzs 2y ago
> Unanimous decision to ban TikTok from a divided Supreme Court, 2025 Nope. Unanimous decision that the First Amendment does not prohibit banning TikTok.

ImHereToVote 2y ago

China can buy private data from Metastasis just like anyone else. This argument is bunk.

Vegenoid 2y ago
What is Metastasis?
- westmeal 2y ago
  Meta.
- user_of_the_wek 2y ago
  It‘s spreading cancer.
- junto 2y ago
  Play on words I assume. - Meta - Facebook et al - Stasi (an abbreviation of Staatssicherheit), was the state security service and secret police of East Germany from 1950 to 1990. It was one of the most repressive police organisations in the world, infiltrating almost every aspect of life in East Germany, using torture, intimidation and a vast network of informants to crush dissent
  - amanaplanacanal 2y ago
    I doubt Meta is going to sell their most valuable asset to a competitor.
ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
Buying aggregated data is in no way comparable to owning the collection method itself.
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  Why? In both ways, users do it voluntarily, by agreeing with terms of use. You don't have to use those platforms.
gorbachev 2y ago
Despite the downvotes, this is entirely accurate. The privacy / data protection angle on TikTok is a red herring. There are other ways China, or anyone else, including any one of us, can get their hands on vast amounts of personal data about anybody. It just costs more than operating a profitable social media platform. All you need to do is flash a few bucks and talk nicely to a data broker, or Meta (remember Cambridge Analytica?) and there's nothing the US Government or you can do about it, because it's entirely legal. The minimal barriers that are in place to protect the data going into "wrong" hands are trivial to bypass. And if that doesn't work, the next level up in difficulty is hack the same organizations. China has made an industry out of that.
- falleng0d 2y ago
  this is not really the main concern. the real danger posed by TikTok is the ability to easily influence on a large scale.
  - diggan 2y ago
    I feel like it's important to include "the ability for China to easily [...]" since that's probably the top reason TikTok is affected by this and not others who are identically able to "easily influence on a large scale".
  - imiric 2y ago
    I don't get how more people don't realize this. Yes, all domestic media has also been corrupted by various agencies that wish to psychologically manipulate the masses. Some of this manipulation is to get you to buy things, while other wants to get you to think, act or vote a certain way. The difference is that when a foreign adversary has the ability to do the same, it becomes a matter of national security. Allowing that adversary to also control the platform itself is beyond unsafe. The tricky thing is that the US built these tools, and opened them up for everyone to use. This libertarian position is what will ultimately be its downfall. They can't just go and block access to these tools for everyone outside the US, or heavily regulate them, as it will cause an internal uproar, but that is what they must do in order to survive this war. China is in a much better position in this conflict since the government has total control over the media its citizens consume (barring the rampant use of VPNs, which they can shut down at any point). They have no external but massive internal influence. I feel like everyone should watch this 1985 interview of an ex-KGB agent[1]. It's more relevant today than ever before, and explains the sociopolitical state of not just the US, but of many western countries as well. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmXiapfCs8

tzs 2y ago

> Unanimous decision to ban TikTok from a divided Supreme Court, 2025 Nope. Unanimous decision that the First Amendment does not prohibit banning TikTok.