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The difference with AMD and Intel when zen launched is that AMD launched a product that utterly destroyed Intel’s line up in productivity workloads. Zen 1 launc

The difference with AMD and Intel when zen launched is that AMD launched a product that utterly destroyed Intel’s line up in productivity workloads. Zen 1 launched with double the cores of the competing intel chip at the same price point. The benchmarks were a bloodbath and intel struggled to respond with a competitive product for 4 years. Arguably they still haven’t caught up. AMD just brutally out executed Intel. Doing that to nvidia would be a tall order

llm_trw 2y ago
Core wise Intel had the advantage until the last generation or two. The same can be true for gpus, just add a ton more memory and watch them fly off the shelves.
- SecretDreams 2y ago
  Intel P cores still do well against amd zen5. But their stacking cache is chef's kiss.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > The same can be true for gpus, just add a ton more memory and watch them fly off the shelves. Yeah... for datacenters and people attempting to jump on the AI hype train. Meanwhile your everyday regular gamer has zero chance competing for GPUs with the infinite money coffers from AI. Seriously, the sooner this crazy bubble bursts the better. I thought the shitcoin mining days were bad but at least everyone back then knew the game for GPUs was over once the first Bitcoin ASIC was released, but now? No end in sight and frankly I'm pissed.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    The AI bubble will burst the same way the internet bubble did: First explosively, then never.
- MindSpunk 2y ago
  Intel can match or outperform Zen 5 in many benchmarks (X3D still trashes them in games) and are trading blows now, they just have to use double the power envelope to do it. Arc and Battlemage are not very competitive designs with AMD going off die size and transistor count compared to the performance numbers they're posting. Battlemage pricing however is quite good on price to performance, but again suffers from efficiency where AMD has them beat by quite a margin.

llm_trw 2y ago

Core wise Intel had the advantage until the last generation or two. The same can be true for gpus, just add a ton more memory and watch them fly off the shelves.

SecretDreams 2y ago
Intel P cores still do well against amd zen5. But their stacking cache is chef's kiss.
mschuster91 2y ago
> The same can be true for gpus, just add a ton more memory and watch them fly off the shelves. Yeah... for datacenters and people attempting to jump on the AI hype train. Meanwhile your everyday regular gamer has zero chance competing for GPUs with the infinite money coffers from AI. Seriously, the sooner this crazy bubble bursts the better. I thought the shitcoin mining days were bad but at least everyone back then knew the game for GPUs was over once the first Bitcoin ASIC was released, but now? No end in sight and frankly I'm pissed.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  The AI bubble will burst the same way the internet bubble did: First explosively, then never.
MindSpunk 2y ago
Intel can match or outperform Zen 5 in many benchmarks (X3D still trashes them in games) and are trading blows now, they just have to use double the power envelope to do it. Arc and Battlemage are not very competitive designs with AMD going off die size and transistor count compared to the performance numbers they're posting. Battlemage pricing however is quite good on price to performance, but again suffers from efficiency where AMD has them beat by quite a margin.