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An AGI will be able to do any task any humans can do. Or all tasks any human can do. An AGI will be able to get any college degree.

nkrisc 2y ago
So it’s not an AGI if it can’t create an AGI?
- UltraSane 2y ago
  Humans might create AGI without fully understanding how.
  - ithkuil 2y ago
    Thus a machine can solve tasks without "understanding" them
    - pixl97 2y ago
      Humans do this all the time to.
      - ithkuil 2y ago
        Yes that was my point.
layer8 2y ago
> any task any humans can do That doesn’t seem accurate, even if you limit it to mental tasks. For example, do we expect an AGI to be able to meditate, or to mentally introspect itself like a human, or to describe its inner qualia, in order to constitute an AGI? Another thought: The way human perform tasks is affected by involuntary aspects of the respective individual mind, in a way that the involuntariness is relevant (for example being repulsed by something, or something not crossing one’s mind). If it is involuntary for the AGI as well, then it can’t perform tasks in all the different ways that different humans would. And if it isn’t involuntary for the AGI, can it really reproduce the way (all the ways) individual humans would perform a task? To put it more concretely: For every individual, there is probably a task that they can’t perform (with a specific outcome) that however another individual can perform. If the same is true for an AGI, then by your definition it isn’t an AGI because it can’t perform all tasks. On the other hand, if we assume it can perform all tasks, then it would be unlike any individual human, which raises the question of whether this is (a) possible, and (b) conceptually coherent to begin with.
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  > For example, do we expect an AGI to be able to meditate, or to mentally introspect itself like a human, or to describe its inner qualia, in order to constitute an AGI? ...Yes. This is what I think 'most' people consider a real AI to be.
  - perfmode 2y ago
    Meditation requires Beingness.
    - adrianN 2y ago
      Neither of those words have a sufficiently precise meaning that you could tell whether a human has/does it or not.
      - perfmode 2y ago
        You’re right that ‘Beingness’ and ‘meditation’ are hard to define with precision, but the essence of meditation isn’t about external markers—it’s about an inner, subjective awareness of presence that can’t be fully reduced to objective measures.
- pixl97 2y ago
  The biggest issue with AGI is how poorly we've described GI up until now. Moreso, I see an AI that can do any (intelligence) task a human can will be far beyond human capabilities because even individual humans can't do everything.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    One AI being able to do every task every human can do would be superhuman. But it is much more likely that at least at first AIs would be customized to narrower skill sets like Mathematician or programmer or engineer due to resource limitations.
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qup 2y ago
You can't do any task humans can do

nkrisc 2y ago

So it’s not an AGI if it can’t create an AGI?

UltraSane 2y ago
Humans might create AGI without fully understanding how.
- ithkuil 2y ago
  Thus a machine can solve tasks without "understanding" them
  - pixl97 2y ago
    Humans do this all the time to.
    - ithkuil 2y ago
      Yes that was my point.

layer8 2y ago

> any task any humans can do That doesn’t seem accurate, even if you limit it to mental tasks. For example, do we expect an AGI to be able to meditate, or to mentally introspect itself like a human, or to describe its inner qualia, in order to constitute an AGI? Another thought: The way human perform tasks is affected by involuntary aspects of the respective individual mind, in a way that the involuntariness is relevant (for example being repulsed by something, or something not crossing one’s mind). If it is involuntary for the AGI as well, then it can’t perform tasks in all the different ways that different humans would. And if it isn’t involuntary for the AGI, can it really reproduce the way (all the ways) individual humans would perform a task? To put it more concretely: For every individual, there is probably a task that they can’t perform (with a specific outcome) that however another individual can perform. If the same is true for an AGI, then by your definition it isn’t an AGI because it can’t perform all tasks. On the other hand, if we assume it can perform all tasks, then it would be unlike any individual human, which raises the question of whether this is (a) possible, and (b) conceptually coherent to begin with.

madeofpalk 2y ago
> For example, do we expect an AGI to be able to meditate, or to mentally introspect itself like a human, or to describe its inner qualia, in order to constitute an AGI? ...Yes. This is what I think 'most' people consider a real AI to be.
- perfmode 2y ago
  Meditation requires Beingness.
  - adrianN 2y ago
    Neither of those words have a sufficiently precise meaning that you could tell whether a human has/does it or not.
    - perfmode 2y ago
      You’re right that ‘Beingness’ and ‘meditation’ are hard to define with precision, but the essence of meditation isn’t about external markers—it’s about an inner, subjective awareness of presence that can’t be fully reduced to objective measures.
pixl97 2y ago
The biggest issue with AGI is how poorly we've described GI up until now. Moreso, I see an AI that can do any (intelligence) task a human can will be far beyond human capabilities because even individual humans can't do everything.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  One AI being able to do every task every human can do would be superhuman. But it is much more likely that at least at first AIs would be customized to narrower skill sets like Mathematician or programmer or engineer due to resource limitations.
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qup 2y ago

You can't do any task humans can do