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This is nothing new. Google's instrumental role in the "Arab Spring" is old hat by now.

by User23 2y ago

gunian 2y ago
If you correlate the hacks of anonymous to that you will get an interesting picture to say the least :) As someone that loves dev stuff it is so beautiful not a single soldier deployed but an entire region destabilized and so many people killed
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  I was paying attention to telecomix and US forces in-country maintaining cellular infra to fight against the information blackouts but what was going down on 4chan?
  - gunian 2y ago
    Idk tbh never been on 4chan but you ever wonder why that infra was being defended? Ever heard of a guy called Pinochet? Noriega? Videla? Doe? Or my personal favorite Mobutu? Why are we pretending movements can't be co-opted or engineered or the CIA does things out of love would expect that on Reddit but not on HN. A lot of the countries involved did not recover look at their GDP pre vs during vs now. Look at how power centers have shifted and isolated Iran since then :)
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
      I definitely agree USA was pulling for the revolutionaries, and making sure the powers that be couldn't snuff out all communications was essential in throwing the fight, I just don't believe in inception as far as inspiring a revolt in the first place. I mention 4chan because I thought it synonymous with anonymous, and I was wondering what you knew that I didn't re: what hacking was happening. And yes Mobutu with his little leopard hat is my favorite too.
      - gunian 2y ago
        The leopard hat was indeed the best :) I didn't know anonymous was active on 4chan it's kind of uncomfortable for people of my ilk to be there so I avoid but that kind of checks out Do you think there is/was any advantage to having a group labelled as a freedom fighter / vigilante perform hacking operations as opposed to official state actors during color revolutions?
        jazzyjackson 2y ago
        I guess I'm thinking of the Guy Fawkes era. I'm scarcely aware of what anonymous means outside of what was reported in mainstream media about it. Now that I think of it that too was a case of one group choosing not to correct anyone when credited with the accomplishments of somebody else. They would produce all these cringe videos about how any day now they'd spill the beans on the powers that be. Kind of a WikiLeaks fan club more than anything. But you, then, were referencing some other front in the info war with folks that had access to higher tier tools than a Low Orbit Ion Cannon? And yes plausible deniability goes a long way, perhaps even enabling people to collaborate when they may otherwise be on opposing "sides" as far as states are concerned.
        gunian 2y ago
        No one who knew enough about the powers that be to spill the beans would live to spill aforementioned beans all we can do is look at and correlate publicly available data to infer plays the aforementioned powers maybe calling such is the life of poor peasants like me lol Idk how we went from color revolution, hacking, social engineering to Guy and DDoS but now I gotta watch V for Vendetta a peasant can always dream :)
jazzyjackson 2y ago
Although i would never put it past the DoD under Clinton to manipulate an election here and a revolution there, my impression of Silicon Valley during the Arab Spring is a bunch of self congratulatory preening over the power of social media. I always felt the CIAs greatest trick is letting people credit them with overthrowing governments, a power they don't actually possess, except to tip the scales with a little gun-running. Same with the so called Twitter revolution. Assange and Manning can take credit for leaking the cables, but the anger was domestic and already extant.
- suraci 2y ago
  Hunger and poverty (mostly caused by sanctions and economic crises) are dry firewood, and social media are the sparks. The former is the underlying contradiction, and the latter is the force of organization Both of these elements are required for a successful color revolution
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    Force of organization is an interesting phrase, never heard that before. Reminds me of catalyzing crystal seeds, or how at the quark level mass arises out of information/order/entropy in the complexity sense. The more ordered the heavier it is. (Maybe this is fringe/kook/IANAPhysicist). I guess before social media there would be other sources of order, churches, political organizations, youth groups. Maybe in the absence of that Twitter is all the revolutionaries had left (but my above conjecture is, there were greater sources of organization in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere than that which was legible online. (As an otherwise unaffiliated American I have no way of knowing.)

This is nothing new. Google's instrumental role in the "Arab Spring" is old hat by now.

by User23 2y ago

This is nothing new. Google's instrumental role in the "Arab Spring" is old hat by now.

If you correlate the hacks of anonymous to that you will get an interesting picture to say the least :) As someone that loves dev stuff it is so beautiful not a single soldier deployed but an entire region destabilized and so many people killed

jazzyjackson 2y ago
I was paying attention to telecomix and US forces in-country maintaining cellular infra to fight against the information blackouts but what was going down on 4chan?
- gunian 2y ago
  Idk tbh never been on 4chan but you ever wonder why that infra was being defended? Ever heard of a guy called Pinochet? Noriega? Videla? Doe? Or my personal favorite Mobutu? Why are we pretending movements can't be co-opted or engineered or the CIA does things out of love would expect that on Reddit but not on HN. A lot of the countries involved did not recover look at their GDP pre vs during vs now. Look at how power centers have shifted and isolated Iran since then :)
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    I definitely agree USA was pulling for the revolutionaries, and making sure the powers that be couldn't snuff out all communications was essential in throwing the fight, I just don't believe in inception as far as inspiring a revolt in the first place. I mention 4chan because I thought it synonymous with anonymous, and I was wondering what you knew that I didn't re: what hacking was happening. And yes Mobutu with his little leopard hat is my favorite too.
    - gunian 2y ago
      The leopard hat was indeed the best :) I didn't know anonymous was active on 4chan it's kind of uncomfortable for people of my ilk to be there so I avoid but that kind of checks out Do you think there is/was any advantage to having a group labelled as a freedom fighter / vigilante perform hacking operations as opposed to official state actors during color revolutions?
      - jazzyjackson 2y ago
        I guess I'm thinking of the Guy Fawkes era. I'm scarcely aware of what anonymous means outside of what was reported in mainstream media about it. Now that I think of it that too was a case of one group choosing not to correct anyone when credited with the accomplishments of somebody else. They would produce all these cringe videos about how any day now they'd spill the beans on the powers that be. Kind of a WikiLeaks fan club more than anything. But you, then, were referencing some other front in the info war with folks that had access to higher tier tools than a Low Orbit Ion Cannon? And yes plausible deniability goes a long way, perhaps even enabling people to collaborate when they may otherwise be on opposing "sides" as far as states are concerned.
        gunian 2y ago
        No one who knew enough about the powers that be to spill the beans would live to spill aforementioned beans all we can do is look at and correlate publicly available data to infer plays the aforementioned powers maybe calling such is the life of poor peasants like me lol Idk how we went from color revolution, hacking, social engineering to Guy and DDoS but now I gotta watch V for Vendetta a peasant can always dream :)

jazzyjackson 2y ago

Although i would never put it past the DoD under Clinton to manipulate an election here and a revolution there, my impression of Silicon Valley during the Arab Spring is a bunch of self congratulatory preening over the power of social media. I always felt the CIAs greatest trick is letting people credit them with overthrowing governments, a power they don't actually possess, except to tip the scales with a little gun-running. Same with the so called Twitter revolution. Assange and Manning can take credit for leaking the cables, but the anger was domestic and already extant.

suraci 2y ago
Hunger and poverty (mostly caused by sanctions and economic crises) are dry firewood, and social media are the sparks. The former is the underlying contradiction, and the latter is the force of organization Both of these elements are required for a successful color revolution
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Force of organization is an interesting phrase, never heard that before. Reminds me of catalyzing crystal seeds, or how at the quark level mass arises out of information/order/entropy in the complexity sense. The more ordered the heavier it is. (Maybe this is fringe/kook/IANAPhysicist). I guess before social media there would be other sources of order, churches, political organizations, youth groups. Maybe in the absence of that Twitter is all the revolutionaries had left (but my above conjecture is, there were greater sources of organization in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere than that which was legible online. (As an otherwise unaffiliated American I have no way of knowing.)