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Isn’t that what Facebook is supposed to provide? From anecdotal evidence, people are happy to engage in vitriol online that they would never do face to face, re

Isn’t that what Facebook is supposed to provide? From anecdotal evidence, people are happy to engage in vitriol online that they would never do face to face, real name or not.

TheCleric 2y ago
Heck I’ve seen some nastiness on LinkedIn with people’s government name and employer right next to it. Real names don’t do much to prevent online assholery.
- ipython 2y ago
  And to that point LinkedIn makes an active effort (in my experience) to highlight the most extreme political comments (I assume for the same reasons as any other social network- anger is a simple formula to fuel engagement). It insists on sending me push notifications of the most bizarre conspiracy theories, even after I muted the accounts. Super frustrating when all you want is basically an electronic business card catalog.
llamaimperative 2y ago
1) No, Facebook does not confirm people’s real names 2) This isn’t a solution to vitriol, it’s a solution to inorganic amplification
- ipython 2y ago
  They absolutely do require confirmation in some cases - https://www.facebook.com/help/1090831264320592 https://www.facebook.com/help/1090831264320592 Of course that’s not foolproof and there are millions of bot accounts by facebooks own admission. But at the scale of billions of active users across the globe I’m not sure what approach could be 100%
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    > in some cases some != all therefore, it is not a real-name only network. I'm not asking for Facebook to become a confirmed real-name only network. I am not asking for anyone to be compelled to supply a confirmed real-name only network. I am saying: I wish that one existed and caught on with consumers.
    - ipython 2y ago
      I totally get what you’re saying. I just don't know how you actually implement this at global scale. I dislike Facebook and have not used it in over a decade, but I do believe they at least used to try and enforce real name policies.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        1) I don't have interest in at global scale 2) I'm not discussing the practicality of it
        ipython 2y ago
        You mentioned that you want this theoretical social network to “catch on” to consumers. Therefore - it kind of has to be practical to do so.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Doing it practically in the US is relatively trivial. ID.me does exactly that already.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      this is the way… I find absolutely ridiculous every social media / free speech discussion if platform does not have proof of identity. while you and I may have right to free speech the bots etc do not. hence, there is no free speech without proof of identity imo
      - 2y ago

Isn’t that what Facebook is supposed to provide? From anecdotal evidence, people are happy to engage in vitriol online that they would never do face to face, real name or not.

TheCleric 2y ago

Heck I’ve seen some nastiness on LinkedIn with people’s government name and employer right next to it. Real names don’t do much to prevent online assholery.

ipython 2y ago
And to that point LinkedIn makes an active effort (in my experience) to highlight the most extreme political comments (I assume for the same reasons as any other social network- anger is a simple formula to fuel engagement). It insists on sending me push notifications of the most bizarre conspiracy theories, even after I muted the accounts. Super frustrating when all you want is basically an electronic business card catalog.

llamaimperative 2y ago

1) No, Facebook does not confirm people’s real names 2) This isn’t a solution to vitriol, it’s a solution to inorganic amplification

ipython 2y ago
They absolutely do require confirmation in some cases - https://www.facebook.com/help/1090831264320592 https://www.facebook.com/help/1090831264320592 Of course that’s not foolproof and there are millions of bot accounts by facebooks own admission. But at the scale of billions of active users across the globe I’m not sure what approach could be 100%
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  > in some cases some != all therefore, it is not a real-name only network. I'm not asking for Facebook to become a confirmed real-name only network. I am not asking for anyone to be compelled to supply a confirmed real-name only network. I am saying: I wish that one existed and caught on with consumers.
  - ipython 2y ago
    I totally get what you’re saying. I just don't know how you actually implement this at global scale. I dislike Facebook and have not used it in over a decade, but I do believe they at least used to try and enforce real name policies.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      1) I don't have interest in at global scale 2) I'm not discussing the practicality of it
      - ipython 2y ago
        You mentioned that you want this theoretical social network to “catch on” to consumers. Therefore - it kind of has to be practical to do so.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Doing it practically in the US is relatively trivial. ID.me does exactly that already.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    this is the way… I find absolutely ridiculous every social media / free speech discussion if platform does not have proof of identity. while you and I may have right to free speech the bots etc do not. hence, there is no free speech without proof of identity imo
    - 2y ago