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> The algorithm used in the US was apparently banned in China for being too addictive. Source? I could only find this. https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/0

> The algorithm used in the US was apparently banned in China for being too addictive. Source? I could only find this. https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/03/08/1069527/china-tiktok-douyin-teens-privacy/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/03/08/1069527/china-ti...

afavour 2y ago
> That same year, Douyin imposed a 40-minute daily limit for users under 14. Last year, Chinese regulators introduced a rule that would limit children under age 18 to two hours of smartphone screen time each day. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111708 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111...
- p_j_w 2y ago
  That’s not at all the same as banning the algorithm.
  - andy_xor_andrew 2y ago
    Maybe the "community notes" model isn't so bad after all
  - afavour 2y ago
    It’s not the same, no. I provided the link because it’s what I assume the OP is referring to. Limiting use to 40 minutes is not a ban but it still shows a view that extended exposure to it is harmful. To turn it on its head, if more than 40 minutes is viewed harmful for Chinese youth, why not American?
    - jfdbcv 2y ago
      You know they did that with video games too.. Should we do that here? https://apnews.com/article/gaming-business-children-00db669defcc8e0ca1fc2dc54120a0b8 https://apnews.com/article/gaming-business-children-00db669d...
      - deleted 2y ago
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  - throwawayq3423 2y ago
    It's a clear sign the international version of TikTok, because of it's addictiveness and content, would never be allowed for a single minute in China by the people that know the most about what it is, and what is does. What more do you need to know?
    - dv_dt 2y ago
      If it was a legal requirement for Chinese apps in China, and this is the path for societal heath then why not pass that law for all social apps in the US?
      - throwawayq3423 2y ago
        Blanket content bans are the stuff of dictatorships, but restricting access to demographics that could be most harmed by it (children for example) is a good idea, and I wish the US would look into it.
- croes 2y ago
  That limit is independent of the used algorithm.
  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    How would you know? If you have only a certain time-window, you may need another kind of algorithm to retain ̶a̶d̶d̶i̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n interest day-over-day.
    - croes 2y ago
      I mean the limit is for all social media, the algorithm doesn’t matter.
legitster 2y ago
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111708 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111... Anecdotally, I have heard from people who lived in China at the time that there was a significant shift in content a few years back.
- cma 2y ago
  The whole country had a shift though, they implemented gaming and entertainment regulations and video sites like bilibili went from $153 to a low of $8 a share.
  - herval 2y ago
    China didn't go after TikTok _alone_ - they reportedly went after anything deemed too addictive, including limiting the time spent on games. It was very clearly aimed towards reducing digital addiction (which is something us in the West still try to ignore as an epidemic)
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > China didn't go after TikTok _alone_ Because it was never there. Bytedance never launched TikTok in China.
      - herval 2y ago
        it's called Douyin. It's the same product, the same way a Mexican Coke is the same thing as an American Coke, and both are produced by the same company (Coca Cola).
        ruthmarx 2y ago
        Mexican Coke is different though. It doesn't use HFCS.
        2y ago
niceice 2y ago
The entire app is banned. They use a different one called Douyin.
- slt2021 2y ago
  I dont think tiktok app is banned because of algorithm, because bytedance created and maintains both Doyin and Tiktok. I think it is form of compartmentalizing Internet and social networks, to keep Chinese internet and social media separate from the US. the red book app, where tiktok refugees are flocking to right now, also want to introduce geofence and compartmentalize Chinese users and US users separately
  - tmnvdb 2y ago
    Tiktok is banned completely in China because it doesn't not have the agressive filtering and CPP propaganda in place to operate in China. The CPP can not allow Chineze citizens to engage in an open exchange of ideas with eachother or with the citizens of other free nations, for obvious reasons.
    - skyyler 2y ago
      >because it doesn't not have the agressive filtering and CPP propaganda in place to operate in China Do you believe that all Chinese media is part of a propaganda machine? Do you believe the same of American or French media?
      - tmnvdb 2y ago
        Yes. No.
      - gkbrk 2y ago
        You cannot operate a TV channel, a radio station or a newspaper in China without running everything through CCP first for approval. You won't find a single news report critical of the CCP because of this. Every social media app or website in China is required to ask for your real name and ID number, and implement any censorship requested by the party. If you post something that rubs the government the wrong way, your identity is readily available. I don't believe this level of content control, censorship and user prosecution is there for all American media. And if it were, you are allowed to set up your own channel or social media app in America to be the exception.
vFunct 2y ago
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- whateveracct 2y ago
  > Israel is why we can’t have nice things in America. I wouldn't say TikTok is a "nice thing" ..
- iaseiadit 2y ago
  They’re talking about the algorithm that’s used outside of China being banned in China, not TikTok being banned in the US.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > The actual senators that created the ban I worked on some language in the bill for my Senator. The unifying concern—and my and their concern—was China. I know when you have a pet war you tend to see everything through its lens, but most Americans—including electeds—couldn’t care less about what’s going on in Gaza or Ukraine.
  - vFunct 2y ago
    That’s not now policy works in the US. We aren’t a direct democracy. Policy proposals don’t require “most Americans” to care about it. It only requires most LEGISLATORS to care. And legislators have zero requirement to explain to the public the real reason a policy proposal happens. The language used in a bill doesn’t have to be the reason it exists. This is how lobbying works. I get that people have pet issues they want to protect, but Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office Wow, people really believe Joe Biden wouldn’t have bombed his debate if he just changed his policy on Israel. (Or more seriously, that Kamala was kept out of the White House by this. What a myopic worldview.)
HenryBemis 2y ago
https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-between-tik-tok-in-china-and-the-us/ https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe... "It’s almost like they recognize that technology is influencing kids’ development, and they make their domestic version a spinach version of TikTok, while they ship the opium version to the rest of the world,”
the_clarence 2y ago
His comment is obvious propaganda

afavour 2y ago

> That same year, Douyin imposed a 40-minute daily limit for users under 14. Last year, Chinese regulators introduced a rule that would limit children under age 18 to two hours of smartphone screen time each day. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111708 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111...

p_j_w 2y ago
That’s not at all the same as banning the algorithm.
- andy_xor_andrew 2y ago
  Maybe the "community notes" model isn't so bad after all
- afavour 2y ago
  It’s not the same, no. I provided the link because it’s what I assume the OP is referring to. Limiting use to 40 minutes is not a ban but it still shows a view that extended exposure to it is harmful. To turn it on its head, if more than 40 minutes is viewed harmful for Chinese youth, why not American?
  - jfdbcv 2y ago
    You know they did that with video games too.. Should we do that here? https://apnews.com/article/gaming-business-children-00db669defcc8e0ca1fc2dc54120a0b8 https://apnews.com/article/gaming-business-children-00db669d...
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- throwawayq3423 2y ago
  It's a clear sign the international version of TikTok, because of it's addictiveness and content, would never be allowed for a single minute in China by the people that know the most about what it is, and what is does. What more do you need to know?
  - dv_dt 2y ago
    If it was a legal requirement for Chinese apps in China, and this is the path for societal heath then why not pass that law for all social apps in the US?
    - throwawayq3423 2y ago
      Blanket content bans are the stuff of dictatorships, but restricting access to demographics that could be most harmed by it (children for example) is a good idea, and I wish the US would look into it.
croes 2y ago
That limit is independent of the used algorithm.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  How would you know? If you have only a certain time-window, you may need another kind of algorithm to retain ̶a̶d̶d̶i̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n interest day-over-day.
  - croes 2y ago
    I mean the limit is for all social media, the algorithm doesn’t matter.

legitster 2y ago

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111708 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-china/story?id=108111... Anecdotally, I have heard from people who lived in China at the time that there was a significant shift in content a few years back.

cma 2y ago
The whole country had a shift though, they implemented gaming and entertainment regulations and video sites like bilibili went from $153 to a low of $8 a share.
- herval 2y ago
  China didn't go after TikTok _alone_ - they reportedly went after anything deemed too addictive, including limiting the time spent on games. It was very clearly aimed towards reducing digital addiction (which is something us in the West still try to ignore as an epidemic)
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > China didn't go after TikTok _alone_ Because it was never there. Bytedance never launched TikTok in China.
    - herval 2y ago
      it's called Douyin. It's the same product, the same way a Mexican Coke is the same thing as an American Coke, and both are produced by the same company (Coca Cola).
      - ruthmarx 2y ago
        Mexican Coke is different though. It doesn't use HFCS.
        2y ago

niceice 2y ago

The entire app is banned. They use a different one called Douyin.

slt2021 2y ago
I dont think tiktok app is banned because of algorithm, because bytedance created and maintains both Doyin and Tiktok. I think it is form of compartmentalizing Internet and social networks, to keep Chinese internet and social media separate from the US. the red book app, where tiktok refugees are flocking to right now, also want to introduce geofence and compartmentalize Chinese users and US users separately
- tmnvdb 2y ago
  Tiktok is banned completely in China because it doesn't not have the agressive filtering and CPP propaganda in place to operate in China. The CPP can not allow Chineze citizens to engage in an open exchange of ideas with eachother or with the citizens of other free nations, for obvious reasons.
  - skyyler 2y ago
    >because it doesn't not have the agressive filtering and CPP propaganda in place to operate in China Do you believe that all Chinese media is part of a propaganda machine? Do you believe the same of American or French media?
    - tmnvdb 2y ago
      Yes. No.
    - gkbrk 2y ago
      You cannot operate a TV channel, a radio station or a newspaper in China without running everything through CCP first for approval. You won't find a single news report critical of the CCP because of this. Every social media app or website in China is required to ask for your real name and ID number, and implement any censorship requested by the party. If you post something that rubs the government the wrong way, your identity is readily available. I don't believe this level of content control, censorship and user prosecution is there for all American media. And if it were, you are allowed to set up your own channel or social media app in America to be the exception.

vFunct 2y ago

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whateveracct 2y ago
> Israel is why we can’t have nice things in America. I wouldn't say TikTok is a "nice thing" ..
iaseiadit 2y ago
They’re talking about the algorithm that’s used outside of China being banned in China, not TikTok being banned in the US.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> The actual senators that created the ban I worked on some language in the bill for my Senator. The unifying concern—and my and their concern—was China. I know when you have a pet war you tend to see everything through its lens, but most Americans—including electeds—couldn’t care less about what’s going on in Gaza or Ukraine.
- vFunct 2y ago
  That’s not now policy works in the US. We aren’t a direct democracy. Policy proposals don’t require “most Americans” to care about it. It only requires most LEGISLATORS to care. And legislators have zero requirement to explain to the public the real reason a policy proposal happens. The language used in a bill doesn’t have to be the reason it exists. This is how lobbying works. I get that people have pet issues they want to protect, but Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Israel was a big enough reason to force Joe Biden out of office Wow, people really believe Joe Biden wouldn’t have bombed his debate if he just changed his policy on Israel. (Or more seriously, that Kamala was kept out of the White House by this. What a myopic worldview.)

HenryBemis 2y ago

https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-between-tik-tok-in-china-and-the-us/ https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe... "It’s almost like they recognize that technology is influencing kids’ development, and they make their domestic version a spinach version of TikTok, while they ship the opium version to the rest of the world,”

the_clarence 2y ago

His comment is obvious propaganda