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Aka because we're the "good" guys

luddit3 2y ago
In preventing a country from being invaded, yes, we are.
like_any_other 2y ago
This is a common criticism in these kinds of discussions, but no, protecting oneself from foreign influence and threats does not require a moral high-ground, just as locking your front door doesn't.
ssijak 2y ago
For some reason I can't reply to "luddit3" below you. But he should check a list of countries that started the most wars and invasions in the last 150 years and which one tops it easily.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > countries that started the most wars and invasions in the last 150 years and which one tops it easily What is the list? Does WWII count as one war, or do we could belligerents individually?
yard2010 2y ago
There is no good, just bad and kill-it-with-fire kind of evil. You choose bad you get a bad life. You choose the other you get literally hell. One government harvests and sells the organs of its healthy population[0][1][2] and the other makes some people feel sad. Ironically, the "good" guys here allow you to talk shit on the internet about them while the "bad" guys would catch and harvest my organs someday for writing this comment. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... [1] https://chinatribunal.com/ https://chinatribunal.com/ [2] https://theowp.org/reports/china-is-forcibly-harvesting-organs-from-prisoners-of-conscience-tribunal-rules/ https://theowp.org/reports/china-is-forcibly-harvesting-orga...
- spencerflem 2y ago
  The USA has more prisoners than China and far more per capita https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarce... And funnily enough, just had a state try to pass a law making prisoners get to "choose" to donate organs for a reduced sentence https://apnews.com/article/organ-donation-massachusetts-state-government-health-a11a7f93dd13ad018bbb1899dbb4623a https://apnews.com/article/organ-donation-massachusetts-stat... But point is, no love for the CCP but this sort of jingoistic take sucks. China is not "literally hell"
kube-system 2y ago
Self-interest doesn't require moral justification.

In preventing a country from being invaded, yes, we are.

This is a common criticism in these kinds of discussions, but no, protecting oneself from foreign influence and threats does not require a moral high-ground, just as locking your front door doesn't.

ssijak 2y ago

For some reason I can't reply to "luddit3" below you. But he should check a list of countries that started the most wars and invasions in the last 150 years and which one tops it easily.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> countries that started the most wars and invasions in the last 150 years and which one tops it easily What is the list? Does WWII count as one war, or do we could belligerents individually?

yard2010 2y ago

There is no good, just bad and kill-it-with-fire kind of evil. You choose bad you get a bad life. You choose the other you get literally hell. One government harvests and sells the organs of its healthy population[0][1][2] and the other makes some people feel sad. Ironically, the "good" guys here allow you to talk shit on the internet about them while the "bad" guys would catch and harvest my organs someday for writing this comment. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_... [1] https://chinatribunal.com/ https://chinatribunal.com/ [2] https://theowp.org/reports/china-is-forcibly-harvesting-organs-from-prisoners-of-conscience-tribunal-rules/ https://theowp.org/reports/china-is-forcibly-harvesting-orga...

spencerflem 2y ago
The USA has more prisoners than China and far more per capita https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarce... And funnily enough, just had a state try to pass a law making prisoners get to "choose" to donate organs for a reduced sentence https://apnews.com/article/organ-donation-massachusetts-state-government-health-a11a7f93dd13ad018bbb1899dbb4623a https://apnews.com/article/organ-donation-massachusetts-stat... But point is, no love for the CCP but this sort of jingoistic take sucks. China is not "literally hell"

kube-system 2y ago

Self-interest doesn't require moral justification.