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People don't fully understand what is at risk of being lost here. Science, history, and technology tutorials, practical life skills like cooking, budgeting, men

by jdlyga 2y ago

People don't fully understand what is at risk of being lost here. Science, history, and technology tutorials, practical life skills like cooking, budgeting, mental health, chronic illness, trauma recovery, creative expression, small businesses, home repair, friend groups, communities, and many people who make their living on TikTok. Losing TikTok means losing a massive ecosystem and all of its connections, knowledge, and content. It's like a library of books vanishing, or a large city disappearing off of a map.

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numbsafari 2y ago
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ok123456 2y ago
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silverquiet 2y ago
This is always the risk of building your castle on someone else's land (or cloud).
chipgap98 2y ago
You honestly believe most of that hasn't already be re-uploaded to other platforms and more of it won't be re-uploaded over the next month?
- carstenhag 2y ago
  Yes, I believe so. It's way easier to upload something on tiktok with captions, voiceovers etc than on YouTube. You can have real communities instead of random channels.
whimsicalism 2y ago
a lot of chronic illness sub communities are bad and would be good to lose, just like cryptic pregnancy fb etc - they trigger latent mental illness in people
- mtlynch 2y ago
  For those not in the know, why is cryptic pregnancy tiktok bad? I'd never heard of it, and from what I understand, it's a hashtag people use to share stories of how they found out they were pregnant late in the pregnancy because they didn't have pregnancy symptoms. But I don't understand why that would be bad for people to share/consume.
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    having trouble finding articles about this but there is a common associated mental illness https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/women-who-claim-to-have-been-pregnant-for-three-years/5C3SZ5HZY4PMKICBI7TVROKY3I/#google_vignette https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/women-who-claim-to-have... at least in the facebook groups i have seen, this ^ describes the majority of participants
triceratops 2y ago
TikTok isn't going away and the content isn't going away. It's just not accessible in the US.
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purple_ferret 2y ago
We have an archiving institution for stuff like that. Relying on a private business to maintain a catalogue is nonsense.
sksrbWgbfK 2y ago
It's insulting to compare libraries to TikTok.
oorza 2y ago
And for every video of quality on the platform, there's one that's blatant political propaganda, one that's blatant conspiratorial misinformation, one that's sexualizing children, etc. It's a mixed bag. It has no more to offer than any other social network. Less, some might argue, because of how easy it is to crosspost to the other video networks. The only way this is different from the loss of other social networks, Vine most closely, is the government is shutting down the site and collapsing the ecosystem rather than private equity.
Aaronstotle 2y ago
There are plenty of other places they can upload that content.
codingdave 2y ago
Popular sites come and go. It has admittedly been a few years since we had a big shakeup of where people go to doomscroll, but this is not a paradigm shift -- it is just a chance to see who picks up the slack. It is mildly interesting speculating on whether an existing site will absorb it or if something new will come along. And it is possible TikTok will just keep running. But either way, people gonna make content, people gonna consume content.
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ajross 2y ago
No one is deleting data. You just can't run the app in the US anymore. If someone cares to archive this junk, they can just do it from Australia or wherever.
- carstenhag 2y ago
  Why do you call it junk? Is everything on YouTube junk, because there are some really bad and fake prank jokes? Is everything on here junk, because some people don't have the best intentions? Seriously, even in Germany the public opinion about tiktok is so much influenced by people not even having used the app even once (seen some of the good parts of it).
  - ajross 2y ago
    Meh. If it were worth archiving then someone would be trying to archive it. Nothing the US law is doing would prevent that, even from within the US. If you're really concerned, then start working with ByteDance or archive.org or whoever to actually preserve the data instead of whining that somehow it will be "lost" because you can't install the proprietary reader app from within the USA.
sys32768 2y ago
Is no one downloading the best content? I download all my favorite YouTube videos because inevitably some disappear.
- xnx 2y ago
  Not sure it's the best, but I've got 240K downloaded so far.
ragnese 2y ago
We also risk losing so much utter nonsense and false information that I'm not at all worried. You want to learn history and science? Buy some (vetted) history and science books. The number of times I had to correct my step-son when he repeated something he "learned" on TikTok is disturbing. Unimportant example: He "learned" from a TikTok video that the commonly repeated command of "Open sesame!" is actually "Open says me!". That's not true, and all you have to do is read the story "Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves" to know that the story actually hinges on the fact that the secret word is the name of a grain/plant. Another example: He "learned" that the video game character, Mario, is not saying "It's a me, Mario!" with an Italian accent. He "learned" that he is actually saying some Japanese word, like "Itsumi Mario!". One more: He "learned" that "scientists" now think that "we" originally put the T-Rex fossils together incorrectly and that the animal's arm bones are actually backwards, and should be reversed to reveal that the T-Rex actually had little chicken wings instead of small arms. Anybody who has seen how bone sockets fit together knows that's nonsense. Forgetting the political theory and morality of the ban, I say good riddance to the constant firehose of bullshit and lying morons on that app.
jMyles 2y ago
Nothing will be lost. It will be trivial to access this content, obviously. The internet has gotten extremely adept at routing around censorship.
65 2y ago
All of these points apply to YouTube, which has arguably higher quality content on all of those things.

by jdlyga 2y ago

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numbsafari 2y ago

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ok123456 2y ago

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silverquiet 2y ago

This is always the risk of building your castle on someone else's land (or cloud).

chipgap98 2y ago

You honestly believe most of that hasn't already be re-uploaded to other platforms and more of it won't be re-uploaded over the next month?

carstenhag 2y ago
Yes, I believe so. It's way easier to upload something on tiktok with captions, voiceovers etc than on YouTube. You can have real communities instead of random channels.

whimsicalism 2y ago

a lot of chronic illness sub communities are bad and would be good to lose, just like cryptic pregnancy fb etc - they trigger latent mental illness in people

mtlynch 2y ago
For those not in the know, why is cryptic pregnancy tiktok bad? I'd never heard of it, and from what I understand, it's a hashtag people use to share stories of how they found out they were pregnant late in the pregnancy because they didn't have pregnancy symptoms. But I don't understand why that would be bad for people to share/consume.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  having trouble finding articles about this but there is a common associated mental illness https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/women-who-claim-to-have-been-pregnant-for-three-years/5C3SZ5HZY4PMKICBI7TVROKY3I/#google_vignette https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/women-who-claim-to-have... at least in the facebook groups i have seen, this ^ describes the majority of participants

triceratops 2y ago

TikTok isn't going away and the content isn't going away. It's just not accessible in the US.

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purple_ferret 2y ago

We have an archiving institution for stuff like that. Relying on a private business to maintain a catalogue is nonsense.

sksrbWgbfK 2y ago

It's insulting to compare libraries to TikTok.

oorza 2y ago

And for every video of quality on the platform, there's one that's blatant political propaganda, one that's blatant conspiratorial misinformation, one that's sexualizing children, etc. It's a mixed bag. It has no more to offer than any other social network. Less, some might argue, because of how easy it is to crosspost to the other video networks. The only way this is different from the loss of other social networks, Vine most closely, is the government is shutting down the site and collapsing the ecosystem rather than private equity.

Aaronstotle 2y ago

There are plenty of other places they can upload that content.

codingdave 2y ago

Popular sites come and go. It has admittedly been a few years since we had a big shakeup of where people go to doomscroll, but this is not a paradigm shift -- it is just a chance to see who picks up the slack. It is mildly interesting speculating on whether an existing site will absorb it or if something new will come along. And it is possible TikTok will just keep running. But either way, people gonna make content, people gonna consume content.

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ajross 2y ago

No one is deleting data. You just can't run the app in the US anymore. If someone cares to archive this junk, they can just do it from Australia or wherever.

carstenhag 2y ago
Why do you call it junk? Is everything on YouTube junk, because there are some really bad and fake prank jokes? Is everything on here junk, because some people don't have the best intentions? Seriously, even in Germany the public opinion about tiktok is so much influenced by people not even having used the app even once (seen some of the good parts of it).
- ajross 2y ago
  Meh. If it were worth archiving then someone would be trying to archive it. Nothing the US law is doing would prevent that, even from within the US. If you're really concerned, then start working with ByteDance or archive.org or whoever to actually preserve the data instead of whining that somehow it will be "lost" because you can't install the proprietary reader app from within the USA.

sys32768 2y ago

Is no one downloading the best content? I download all my favorite YouTube videos because inevitably some disappear.

xnx 2y ago
Not sure it's the best, but I've got 240K downloaded so far.

ragnese 2y ago

We also risk losing so much utter nonsense and false information that I'm not at all worried. You want to learn history and science? Buy some (vetted) history and science books. The number of times I had to correct my step-son when he repeated something he "learned" on TikTok is disturbing. Unimportant example: He "learned" from a TikTok video that the commonly repeated command of "Open sesame!" is actually "Open says me!". That's not true, and all you have to do is read the story "Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves" to know that the story actually hinges on the fact that the secret word is the name of a grain/plant. Another example: He "learned" that the video game character, Mario, is not saying "It's a me, Mario!" with an Italian accent. He "learned" that he is actually saying some Japanese word, like "Itsumi Mario!". One more: He "learned" that "scientists" now think that "we" originally put the T-Rex fossils together incorrectly and that the animal's arm bones are actually backwards, and should be reversed to reveal that the T-Rex actually had little chicken wings instead of small arms. Anybody who has seen how bone sockets fit together knows that's nonsense. Forgetting the political theory and morality of the ban, I say good riddance to the constant firehose of bullshit and lying morons on that app.

jMyles 2y ago

Nothing will be lost. It will be trivial to access this content, obviously. The internet has gotten extremely adept at routing around censorship.

65 2y ago

All of these points apply to YouTube, which has arguably higher quality content on all of those things.