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Unfortunately, a car like Tesla collects so much data. And it's only a matter of time before they start selling it. I don't know if any other car company that c

by hn1986 2y ago

Unfortunately, a car like Tesla collects so much data. And it's only a matter of time before they start selling it. I don't know if any other car company that collects more data than Tesla.

whamlastxmas 2y ago
I think I’d pick Tesla, even if it’s more data, because they have never sold that data or indicated they ever would. Unlike literally every other manufacturer that has and does
- MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago
  I agree if only because Tesla seems so vertically integrated and dedicated to their vision. Nowhere in their vision is "establish a side hustle of selling user data for extra cash".
- floatrock 2y ago
  lol has any OEM ever indicated they would sell data? Or was the truth pulled out of them after an extended legal fight where lawyers quibbled over whether weasel-words like "maintenance and quality assurance purposes" covered "selling technically anonymous information to a data broker but everyone knows there's enough metadata in there that the data broker attaches an identity when they resell it to the insurance companies"? Gut check, sure, but I wouldn't trust the company that argued technically autopilot wasn't turned on in car crashes because they turned it off milliseconds before the sensed impact and blamed it on driver inattention as being a good, well-intentioned data steward.
- ActionHank 2y ago
  "I'd pick Tesla because they're pretty cool guy and don't afraid of anything."
- hulitu 2y ago
  > because they have never sold that data or indicated they ever would. They all do this until you press "I agree". Some do it even before.
- mikestew 2y ago
  I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5. Hyundai never indicated that they’d sell the data, either. But guess what? Here’s one thing neither Tesla nor Hyundai have ever said: that they won’t sell the data. (EDIT: I stand corrected on Tesla, as per reply comment. “ We do not sell your personal information to anyone for any purpose, period.”)
  - Schiendelman 2y ago
    Tesla has said that, right on their privacy page. https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy
    - LocalH 2y ago
      The cynic in me says that "do not" does not equal "will not", and even if it said "will not", that's toothless, as Google was for years famous for having "do no evil" baked into their manifesto, until one day they didn't.
Schiendelman 2y ago
Tesla also states unequivocally that they do not sell user data: https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy
- ripply 2y ago
  Tesla states a lot of things, like that their second generation 2020 roadster is going to be ready next year (tm). I wouldn't put a lot of faith in anything they say, all it takes is Musk changing his mind down the line and then anything goes.
- diggan 2y ago
  Tesla state they don't sell "personal information" but they also explicitly say that "Tesla may also collect, use, and share information that does not, on its own, personally identify you" (so "anonymized" data) and also that "personal information" is subject to be processed to "fulfill contractual obligations with third parties, agents and affiliates", whatever that means. https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#how-we-may-use-your-information https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#how-we-may-use-your-info...
  - SapporoChris 2y ago
    Anonymous data is fairly well established to be a myth. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/debunking-myth-anonymous-data https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/debunking-myth-anonymo...
- finnthehuman 2y ago
  Any unfaltering language a company uses is always one bizdev meeting away from "lol just update the contract of adhesion."
- autoexec 2y ago
  Employees are also sharing videos and photos of people in/around their cars with each other and I'm sure they end up in the hands of friends/family members as well. https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

by hn1986 2y ago

Unfortunately, a car like Tesla collects so much data. And it's only a matter of time before they start selling it. I don't know if any other car company that collects more data than Tesla.

whamlastxmas 2y ago

I think I’d pick Tesla, even if it’s more data, because they have never sold that data or indicated they ever would. Unlike literally every other manufacturer that has and does

MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago
I agree if only because Tesla seems so vertically integrated and dedicated to their vision. Nowhere in their vision is "establish a side hustle of selling user data for extra cash".
floatrock 2y ago
lol has any OEM ever indicated they would sell data? Or was the truth pulled out of them after an extended legal fight where lawyers quibbled over whether weasel-words like "maintenance and quality assurance purposes" covered "selling technically anonymous information to a data broker but everyone knows there's enough metadata in there that the data broker attaches an identity when they resell it to the insurance companies"? Gut check, sure, but I wouldn't trust the company that argued technically autopilot wasn't turned on in car crashes because they turned it off milliseconds before the sensed impact and blamed it on driver inattention as being a good, well-intentioned data steward.
ActionHank 2y ago
"I'd pick Tesla because they're pretty cool guy and don't afraid of anything."
hulitu 2y ago
> because they have never sold that data or indicated they ever would. They all do this until you press "I agree". Some do it even before.
mikestew 2y ago
I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5. Hyundai never indicated that they’d sell the data, either. But guess what? Here’s one thing neither Tesla nor Hyundai have ever said: that they won’t sell the data. (EDIT: I stand corrected on Tesla, as per reply comment. “ We do not sell your personal information to anyone for any purpose, period.”)
- Schiendelman 2y ago
  Tesla has said that, right on their privacy page. https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy
  - LocalH 2y ago
    The cynic in me says that "do not" does not equal "will not", and even if it said "will not", that's toothless, as Google was for years famous for having "do no evil" baked into their manifesto, until one day they didn't.

Schiendelman 2y ago

Tesla also states unequivocally that they do not sell user data: https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy

ripply 2y ago
Tesla states a lot of things, like that their second generation 2020 roadster is going to be ready next year (tm). I wouldn't put a lot of faith in anything they say, all it takes is Musk changing his mind down the line and then anything goes.
diggan 2y ago
Tesla state they don't sell "personal information" but they also explicitly say that "Tesla may also collect, use, and share information that does not, on its own, personally identify you" (so "anonymized" data) and also that "personal information" is subject to be processed to "fulfill contractual obligations with third parties, agents and affiliates", whatever that means. https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#how-we-may-use-your-information https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#how-we-may-use-your-info...
- SapporoChris 2y ago
  Anonymous data is fairly well established to be a myth. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/debunking-myth-anonymous-data https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/debunking-myth-anonymo...
finnthehuman 2y ago
Any unfaltering language a company uses is always one bizdev meeting away from "lol just update the contract of adhesion."
autoexec 2y ago
Employees are also sharing videos and photos of people in/around their cars with each other and I'm sure they end up in the hands of friends/family members as well. https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...