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No, because it'd be incredibly dangerous to me to have all these groups storing data about me and allowing them to determine my comings and goings. You may thi

No, because it'd be incredibly dangerous to me to have all these groups storing data about me and allowing them to determine my comings and goings. You may think 'we're only using it for advertising', but I don't trust you and I can't. I don't want you to obtain information about my political views, or how they differ from what I say on the internet, or who I talk to about maths, or where I buy food.

Rooster61 2y ago
That's not what the EULAs that you have (probably, and if not, good on you) signed indicate...
- RandomBacon 2y ago
  A major problem is, that even if I don't click "agree" to EULAs, I have no idea if the companies think I did or not. Also, what prevents someone else from "agreeing" on my behalf without my permission; which apparently happens often when sales people set for their new owners (which I witnessed when I was with my mother when she purchased a new car).
- impossiblefork 2y ago
  What's consideration in EULA? As I interpret I don't think Swedish consumer contract law allows what you describe to matter anyway, and since the GDPR requires free consent it becomes more dubious, so obvious dataintrång.
  - Rooster61 2y ago
    There is no such protection in the US, and I'd imagine some other non-EU states. I'd love something akin to a Bill of Data Rights here in the the states similar to the GDPR, but there is no way oligarchs would allow such legislation to happen
    - impossiblefork 2y ago
      This isn't data rights though, this is that the same law that prohibits people from hacking into your computer is applicable to people doing other things with it in unpermitted ways. Basically, a program that exfiltrates data without permission is treated no different from a rootkit, legally.
      - Rooster61 2y ago
        I think you might have misunderstood my meaning. I don't mean a right to use my own data. I mean a right to actually own that data in the sense that others cannot collect and sell it without my consent and proper compensation based on revenue generated by the collector.
        impossiblefork 2y ago
        But then we're talking about website tracking, things like that, not actual exfiltration of stored data?
autoexec 2y ago
> You may think 'we're only using it for advertising', but I don't trust you and I can't. We already know that the data companies collect isn't only being used for ads, if not by the company that collects then by others who get access to that data either through sale or not. For example, Lawyers are using that data in courtrooms for things like divorce and custody hearings, and police are using it to turn innocent people into suspects.
gunian 2y ago
but they already do wouldn't you rather know what they have stored instead of pretend they don't have the data?

Rooster61 2y ago

That's not what the EULAs that you have (probably, and if not, good on you) signed indicate...

RandomBacon 2y ago
A major problem is, that even if I don't click "agree" to EULAs, I have no idea if the companies think I did or not. Also, what prevents someone else from "agreeing" on my behalf without my permission; which apparently happens often when sales people set for their new owners (which I witnessed when I was with my mother when she purchased a new car).
impossiblefork 2y ago
What's consideration in EULA? As I interpret I don't think Swedish consumer contract law allows what you describe to matter anyway, and since the GDPR requires free consent it becomes more dubious, so obvious dataintrång.
- Rooster61 2y ago
  There is no such protection in the US, and I'd imagine some other non-EU states. I'd love something akin to a Bill of Data Rights here in the the states similar to the GDPR, but there is no way oligarchs would allow such legislation to happen
  - impossiblefork 2y ago
    This isn't data rights though, this is that the same law that prohibits people from hacking into your computer is applicable to people doing other things with it in unpermitted ways. Basically, a program that exfiltrates data without permission is treated no different from a rootkit, legally.
    - Rooster61 2y ago
      I think you might have misunderstood my meaning. I don't mean a right to use my own data. I mean a right to actually own that data in the sense that others cannot collect and sell it without my consent and proper compensation based on revenue generated by the collector.
      - impossiblefork 2y ago
        But then we're talking about website tracking, things like that, not actual exfiltration of stored data?

autoexec 2y ago

> You may think 'we're only using it for advertising', but I don't trust you and I can't. We already know that the data companies collect isn't only being used for ads, if not by the company that collects then by others who get access to that data either through sale or not. For example, Lawyers are using that data in courtrooms for things like divorce and custody hearings, and police are using it to turn innocent people into suspects.

gunian 2y ago

but they already do wouldn't you rather know what they have stored instead of pretend they don't have the data?