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Mandatory Palestine was way more than 21% Arab. And Jews did live side by side & were culturally assimilated, but those that migrated to Palestine/South Syria (

Mandatory Palestine was way more than 21% Arab. And Jews did live side by side & were culturally assimilated, but those that migrated to Palestine/South Syria (after 1890s) didn't & had ambitions of an exclusive state for themselves. > Why on earth would the Jews displace some of the Arabs and give full citizenship to the others No, those that were allowed to remain ("the good Arabs") post 48 were under military rule for 2 decades. Those that now remain occupied after 67 are under hybrid IDF+PA rule. > hate your pseudo-intellectualism Intellectualism? You give me too much credit. Hate the "New Historians" who are all Israeli & speaking their truth.

exe34 2y ago
the Arabs who live in Israel today enjoy the same rights as the Jews. the ones in the post 67 are under hybrid rule precisely because the Oct 7 attacks are the sort of things that happen when the people of Gaza and the West Bank are given freedom.
- ignoramous 2y ago
  > Arabs who live in Israel today enjoy the same rights Uncook: There is no shortage of examples illustrating the widespread view in Israel that Palestinians' political participation should be monitored, controlled and curtailed, and that their right to vote and run for office should be drained of any meaning. The Military Rule imposed on Palestinian citizens until 1966 treated this entire population as enemies, severely restricting their political activity. Mapai (later the Labor Party), which governed the state and most of its institutions in Israel's early years, refused to take on Palestinian candidates until the early 1980s and set up satellite parties for Palestinian citizens, dictating who would run in them and how they would vote. Efforts to delegitimize Palestinian political participation continue to the present day, clearly showing that some of the Israel's leaders and the public at large see such participation as undesirable. The message to Palestinians and their candidates is clear: Do not seek full equality and recognition of collective national rights. Demanding equality on matters such as land, immigration and national emblems is perceived as repudiating Israel’s constitutional principles, as it undermines the country's definition as a Jewish state. Prime Minister Yair Lapid recently spelled out this principle, saying: "Twenty percent of the population are Arabs. We can and should give them civil equality... On the other hand, we will not give them national equality, because this is the only state the Jews have." Palestinian citizens who choose to participate in the electoral process have no choice but to enter the political playing field with their hands tied. The parties representing them are barred from challenging the fundamental principles of the regime that is dispossessing and oppressing them. They cannot seek to abolish the laws and systems that harm them, which are considered defining features of the Jewish state. They cannot fight for a core democratic tenet: full equality for all those living under the same regime. This limits political participation exclusively for Palestinian citizens. No matter what they do or how they vote – constitutionally, their vote is worthless. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202210_not_a_vibrant_democracy_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/202210_not_a_vibrant_de...
  - exe34 2y ago
    > The Military Rule imposed on Palestinian citizens until 1966 > Prime Minister Yair Lapid Anterograde amnesia, is it?
    - ignoramous 2y ago
      I addressed your claim that 48-Arabs have "equal rights" when the former Israeli Prime Minister himself doesn't think so and says so openly. And rich of you to mention "the military rule ... 1966" when you knew nothing about it 2h ago (as evident from your previous reply). Judging from your other replies, you probably don't know a lot, but see yourself fit to engage in Hasbara-like fashion.
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        You also broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. That's seriously not ok, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, and regardless of how badly they might be breaking the rules. It doesn't look like we've warned you about this before, but it does look like you've been breaking the rules when arguing about divisive topics in other contexts. That's not ok, and we eventually have to ban accounts that do this, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stay within the rules in the future, we'd appreciate it.

exe34 2y ago

the Arabs who live in Israel today enjoy the same rights as the Jews. the ones in the post 67 are under hybrid rule precisely because the Oct 7 attacks are the sort of things that happen when the people of Gaza and the West Bank are given freedom.

ignoramous 2y ago
> Arabs who live in Israel today enjoy the same rights Uncook: There is no shortage of examples illustrating the widespread view in Israel that Palestinians' political participation should be monitored, controlled and curtailed, and that their right to vote and run for office should be drained of any meaning. The Military Rule imposed on Palestinian citizens until 1966 treated this entire population as enemies, severely restricting their political activity. Mapai (later the Labor Party), which governed the state and most of its institutions in Israel's early years, refused to take on Palestinian candidates until the early 1980s and set up satellite parties for Palestinian citizens, dictating who would run in them and how they would vote. Efforts to delegitimize Palestinian political participation continue to the present day, clearly showing that some of the Israel's leaders and the public at large see such participation as undesirable. The message to Palestinians and their candidates is clear: Do not seek full equality and recognition of collective national rights. Demanding equality on matters such as land, immigration and national emblems is perceived as repudiating Israel’s constitutional principles, as it undermines the country's definition as a Jewish state. Prime Minister Yair Lapid recently spelled out this principle, saying: "Twenty percent of the population are Arabs. We can and should give them civil equality... On the other hand, we will not give them national equality, because this is the only state the Jews have." Palestinian citizens who choose to participate in the electoral process have no choice but to enter the political playing field with their hands tied. The parties representing them are barred from challenging the fundamental principles of the regime that is dispossessing and oppressing them. They cannot seek to abolish the laws and systems that harm them, which are considered defining features of the Jewish state. They cannot fight for a core democratic tenet: full equality for all those living under the same regime. This limits political participation exclusively for Palestinian citizens. No matter what they do or how they vote – constitutionally, their vote is worthless. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202210_not_a_vibrant_democracy_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/202210_not_a_vibrant_de...
- exe34 2y ago
  > The Military Rule imposed on Palestinian citizens until 1966 > Prime Minister Yair Lapid Anterograde amnesia, is it?
  - ignoramous 2y ago
    I addressed your claim that 48-Arabs have "equal rights" when the former Israeli Prime Minister himself doesn't think so and says so openly. And rich of you to mention "the military rule ... 1966" when you knew nothing about it 2h ago (as evident from your previous reply). Judging from your other replies, you probably don't know a lot, but see yourself fit to engage in Hasbara-like fashion.
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        You also broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. That's seriously not ok, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, and regardless of how badly they might be breaking the rules. It doesn't look like we've warned you about this before, but it does look like you've been breaking the rules when arguing about divisive topics in other contexts. That's not ok, and we eventually have to ban accounts that do this, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stay within the rules in the future, we'd appreciate it.