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I understand the point you’re trying to get across. For many kinds of mistakes, I agree it makes good sense to warn and correct the junior. Maybe that’s the cas

I understand the point you’re trying to get across. For many kinds of mistakes, I agree it makes good sense to warn and correct the junior. Maybe that’s the case here. I’m willing to concede there’s room for debate. Can you imagine the fallout from this, though? Each and every line of code this junior has ever touched needs to be scrutinized to determine its provenance. The company now must assume the employee has been uploading confidential material to OpenAI too. This is an uncomfortable legal risk. How could you trust the dev again after the dust is settled? Also, it raises further concerns for me that this junior seems to be genuinely, honestly unaware that using ChatGPT to write code wouldn’t at least be frowned upon. That’s a frankly dangerous level of professional incompetence. (At least they didn’t try to hide it.) Well now I’m wondering what the correct way would be to handle a junior doing this with ChatGPT, and what the correct way would be to handle similar kinds of mistakes such as copy-pasting GPL code into the proprietary code base, copy-pasting code from Stack Overflow, sharing snippets of company code online, and so on.

thaumasiotes 2y ago
> Also, it raises further concerns for me that this junior seems to be genuinely, honestly unaware that using ChatGPT to write code wouldn’t at least be frowned upon. Austen Allred is selling this as the future of programming. According to him, the days of writing code into an IDE are over. https://www.gauntletai.com/ https://www.gauntletai.com/
- manmal 2y ago
  Responding to the link you posted: Apparently, the future of programming is 100 hour weeks? Naive me was thinking we could work less and think more with these new tools at our disposal.
  - ojbyrne 2y ago
    Also you think with their fancy AI coding they could update their dates to the future or at least disable the page for a past dated session.
  - guappa 2y ago
    Seems people didn't read the link and are downvoting you, possibly because they don't understand what you're talking about.
    - manmal 2y ago
      Thanks, added context.
- whatevertrevor 2y ago
  Without prior knowledge, that reads like a scam? A free training program with a promise of a guaranteed high paying job at the end, where have I heard that before? Seems like their business model is probably to churn people through these sessions and then monetize whatever shitty chatbot app they build through the training.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    No, their business model is getting placement fees for whoever they graduate from the program. Considering this was a sponsored link on HN, endorsed by Y Combinator, I'd say you have a ridiculous threshold for labeling something a "scam", except to the degree that the companies committing to hire these people are pretty unlikely to get whatever they were hoping to get.
manmal 2y ago
> The company now must assume the employee has been uploading confidential material to OpenAI too. If you think that’s not already the case for most of your codebase, you might be in for a rough awakening.
ujkiolp 2y ago
unless you work for hospitals or critical infrastructure, this reaction is overblown and comical
guappa 2y ago
I've seen seniors and above do that. They never cared about respecting software licenses until Biden said they must. Then they started to lament and cry.

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> Also, it raises further concerns for me that this junior seems to be genuinely, honestly unaware that using ChatGPT to write code wouldn’t at least be frowned upon. Austen Allred is selling this as the future of programming. According to him, the days of writing code into an IDE are over. https://www.gauntletai.com/ https://www.gauntletai.com/

manmal 2y ago
Responding to the link you posted: Apparently, the future of programming is 100 hour weeks? Naive me was thinking we could work less and think more with these new tools at our disposal.
- ojbyrne 2y ago
  Also you think with their fancy AI coding they could update their dates to the future or at least disable the page for a past dated session.
- guappa 2y ago
  Seems people didn't read the link and are downvoting you, possibly because they don't understand what you're talking about.
  - manmal 2y ago
    Thanks, added context.
whatevertrevor 2y ago
Without prior knowledge, that reads like a scam? A free training program with a promise of a guaranteed high paying job at the end, where have I heard that before? Seems like their business model is probably to churn people through these sessions and then monetize whatever shitty chatbot app they build through the training.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  No, their business model is getting placement fees for whoever they graduate from the program. Considering this was a sponsored link on HN, endorsed by Y Combinator, I'd say you have a ridiculous threshold for labeling something a "scam", except to the degree that the companies committing to hire these people are pretty unlikely to get whatever they were hoping to get.

manmal 2y ago

> The company now must assume the employee has been uploading confidential material to OpenAI too. If you think that’s not already the case for most of your codebase, you might be in for a rough awakening.

ujkiolp 2y ago

unless you work for hospitals or critical infrastructure, this reaction is overblown and comical

guappa 2y ago

I've seen seniors and above do that. They never cared about respecting software licenses until Biden said they must. Then they started to lament and cry.