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And don't forget the amazing workaround Zimmerman of PGP fame came up with - the source code in printed form was protected 1A speech, so it was published, distr

And don't forget the amazing workaround Zimmerman of PGP fame came up with - the source code in printed form was protected 1A speech, so it was published, distributed, and then scanned and OCR'd outside the US - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Criminal_investigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Criminal_i...

mmaunder 2y ago
And don’t forget Thawte which ended up selling strong SSL outside the US, cornering the international market thanks to US restrictions, and getting bought by Verisign for $600M.
z2 2y ago
I for one would love to see model weights published in hardcover book form.
- dkga 2y ago
  What a throwback to the time when some edgy folks would share printed codes in Pascal… I even remember seeing a hard copy of a binary in hex which was best not to execute.
cheald 2y ago
It might be somewhat prohibitive to print the model weights for any sufficiently large model, though.
- galangalalgol 2y ago
  Using 2d barcodes you can fit ~20MB per page. Front and back you could probably fit a model that violated the rule on less than a thousand pages. Edit: maybe 10k pages
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Skip the barcodes - just cast it to 24bit RGB data, add in some error correction, and print as a high-DPI bitmap (or a series of them, one per page).
    - galangalalgol 2y ago
      Printers that can keep all the color channels lined up all the way down to their tightest dot pitch are few and far between. That is why piql used black and white for the boxing code they used to print out all of github. I'm not sure why greyscale wasn't used.
      - TeMPOraL 2y ago
        > Printers that can keep all the color channels lined up all the way down to their tightest dot pitch are few and far between. It only takes one for a PoC. It only takes few to establish a service. Spatial and color accuracy is going to be a challenge, but I imagine there already exist methods to correct for that - e.g. printing reference patterns along with the data, so the scanner/digitizer can calibrate to it on the fly.
  - layer8 2y ago
    I’m doubtful that barcodes would qualify as free speech.
- slt2021 2y ago
  how about printing URL to download the weights file?
rangestransform 2y ago
I hope this time we finally get a Supreme Court ruling that export controls on code are unconstitutional, instead of the feds chickening out like last time
tzs 2y ago
I doubt that would work for model weights because they are generated algorithmically rather than being written by humans, which probably means that they are not speech.
- mbil 2y ago
  Not to mention how much paper it would take to print 500B weights

mmaunder 2y ago

And don’t forget Thawte which ended up selling strong SSL outside the US, cornering the international market thanks to US restrictions, and getting bought by Verisign for $600M.

z2 2y ago

I for one would love to see model weights published in hardcover book form.

dkga 2y ago
What a throwback to the time when some edgy folks would share printed codes in Pascal… I even remember seeing a hard copy of a binary in hex which was best not to execute.

cheald 2y ago

It might be somewhat prohibitive to print the model weights for any sufficiently large model, though.

galangalalgol 2y ago
Using 2d barcodes you can fit ~20MB per page. Front and back you could probably fit a model that violated the rule on less than a thousand pages. Edit: maybe 10k pages
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Skip the barcodes - just cast it to 24bit RGB data, add in some error correction, and print as a high-DPI bitmap (or a series of them, one per page).
  - galangalalgol 2y ago
    Printers that can keep all the color channels lined up all the way down to their tightest dot pitch are few and far between. That is why piql used black and white for the boxing code they used to print out all of github. I'm not sure why greyscale wasn't used.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      > Printers that can keep all the color channels lined up all the way down to their tightest dot pitch are few and far between. It only takes one for a PoC. It only takes few to establish a service. Spatial and color accuracy is going to be a challenge, but I imagine there already exist methods to correct for that - e.g. printing reference patterns along with the data, so the scanner/digitizer can calibrate to it on the fly.
- layer8 2y ago
  I’m doubtful that barcodes would qualify as free speech.
slt2021 2y ago
how about printing URL to download the weights file?

rangestransform 2y ago

I hope this time we finally get a Supreme Court ruling that export controls on code are unconstitutional, instead of the feds chickening out like last time

tzs 2y ago

I doubt that would work for model weights because they are generated algorithmically rather than being written by humans, which probably means that they are not speech.

mbil 2y ago
Not to mention how much paper it would take to print 500B weights