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Through running is to avoid an upcoming real estate grab / bodogale where Stephen Ross's Vonado wants to let the state of NY use emmenent domain, skip city land

Through running is to avoid an upcoming real estate grab / bodogale where Stephen Ross's Vonado wants to let the state of NY use emmenent domain, skip city land use review and demolish an entire block 8th ave to 7th fromst 31st to 30th street. This is for him to build mega office towers and build more terminus rail platforms. The idea of through-running is to not have trains parked like that in an over crouded midtown. That way they can reduce the number of tracks and widen the platforms. It has beem done with great success in many big cities already. The idea would be to have NJ Transit trains run to platforms at their rail yard in Queens. This is a large ripe for development area between Long Island City and Sunnyside Queens. It could also go farther to Port Morris in the Bronx and link with Metro North and the further North East rail corridor. Long Island Rail could go to a new terminus rail yard in NJ which could have a bus terminal to reduce the amount of busses into NYC. The main issue I can see is some of those commuter runs are too long for crew rotations and may require crew shifts who just do last stop in NJ through to the outer boro NYC rail yards. Here is the group advocating this idea. Rethink Penn Station NYC https://www.rethinkpennstationnyc.org/ https://www.rethinkpennstationnyc.org/

mncharity 2y ago
> Through running is to avoid an upcoming real estate grab [...] and build more terminus rail platforms Could one craft a gold-plated through-running transit hub proposal which supports the grab? Then transit improves, grab or no grab. Given the dominant power of real estate in NYC, the TFA had for me the feel of a proposal from engineering to a c-suite with big divergent incentives. Could one tease apart the "don't build badly" from the "don't need to build" arguments? "There are better alternatives to that, but if that gets done anyway for whatever reasons, at least get it right by ...".
- kkysen 2y ago
  There are other real estate grabs through-running could support. Through-running plans often include a Sunnyside Yards station where Metro-North Penn Station Access (PSA) trains from Hell Gate meet LIRR trains to Penn and Grand Central Madison (GCM), which would also distribute some of the passenger loads out of Penn, which is more constrained. A station here would mean you could also deck over the 180-acre railyard and build skyscrapers (the MTA is exempt from zoning) for some 50k people (about the same population density of Yorkville in the UES) with direct commutes to Penn and Grand Central.

mncharity 2y ago

> Through running is to avoid an upcoming real estate grab [...] and build more terminus rail platforms Could one craft a gold-plated through-running transit hub proposal which supports the grab? Then transit improves, grab or no grab. Given the dominant power of real estate in NYC, the TFA had for me the feel of a proposal from engineering to a c-suite with big divergent incentives. Could one tease apart the "don't build badly" from the "don't need to build" arguments? "There are better alternatives to that, but if that gets done anyway for whatever reasons, at least get it right by ...".

kkysen 2y ago
There are other real estate grabs through-running could support. Through-running plans often include a Sunnyside Yards station where Metro-North Penn Station Access (PSA) trains from Hell Gate meet LIRR trains to Penn and Grand Central Madison (GCM), which would also distribute some of the passenger loads out of Penn, which is more constrained. A station here would mean you could also deck over the 180-acre railyard and build skyscrapers (the MTA is exempt from zoning) for some 50k people (about the same population density of Yorkville in the UES) with direct commutes to Penn and Grand Central.