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> Ultimately this is the basis for governance That's a myth / fantasy of gun and violence zealots and anti-liberals. Obviously, to scholars and to anyone look
by mmooss 2y ago
> Ultimately this is the basis for governance
That's a myth / fantasy of gun and violence zealots and anti-liberals.
Obviously, to scholars and to anyone looking at the world, the basis for governance is consent. There are not enough guns in the world to do it otherwise. And I've never and I don't know anyone who has ever done something because the government pointed a gun at them. They did it because they are law-abiding people, social beings, and want a fair, ordered society.
- hollerith 2y agoI don't suspect that OP fails to understand the importance of consent, but I do suspect that you fail to understand the importance of lawful carefully-target violence.
- mmooss 2y agoI understand the fantasy of a world where sociality doesn't exist. Maybe nerds find it easier to calculate, not understanding the social part well at all.
- hollerith 2y agoIf our police departments and jails were disbanded and torn down, would that constitute an improvement or a worsening of our society in your opinion?
- whimsicalism 2y agoalways a sign of a winning argument when you call your interlocutors nerds
- mmooss 2y agoIt's not an insult to me; is it to you?
- Ancapistani 2y ago> the basis for governance is consent For governance, perhaps, but not for government. A trivial example: I do not consent to the authority of my city, county, state, or country. I have withheld that consent my entire life, and yet all those levels of government continue to not only exist, but to grow.
- mmooss 2y agoYou're weird. Humans normally, almost all consent.
- Ancapistani 2y ago… and those humans who do not consent are coerced by any means necessary, up to and including force.