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Malibu and the Palisades were exclusive neighborhoods where celebrities and other well-off industry personnel lived. They're not adding low income apartments or
by likeabatterycar 2y ago
Malibu and the Palisades were exclusive neighborhoods where celebrities and other well-off industry personnel lived. They're not adding low income apartments or execute any urbanist pipe-dream for the same reason they're not bulldozing Pac Heights to install homeless shelters. Not going to happen. Ever.
- piva00 2y agoAltadena isn't one of those exclusive neighbourhoods though.
- likeabatterycar 2y agoMiddle class and minorities in Altadena don't want to raise their families in Soviet-style apartments because some hipster urbanist thinks its best. They want SFH, that's why they live there.
- piva00 2y agoUsing those buzzwords really doesn't invite much of a conversation, even less when it's basically strawmanning from your part. Still I will bite a bit... There are many examples of places around the world who managed to intersperse SFH with medium-density housing (3-4 stories apartment buildings) so it's not an either-or situation. For example: many suburbs of Stockholm have developed this way, it allows options based on people's budgets and needs, while also creating enough density to attract local businesses so people are not entirely car-dependent for basic necessities, creates third places for meetings, etc. I'm preaching to the choir though, I do understand you will probably never understand or see it that way given the vitriol you started with. It's quite sad because there are other ways for a community to live that can cater to different needs where mixed-housing exists while also making these neighbourhoods more interesting and livable in themselves.
- whimsicalism 2y agothe electorate controls the people with guns, so we can kinda make whatever we want happen if we vote for it
- caseysoftware 2y ago> the electorate controls the people with guns, so we can kinda make whatever we want happen if we vote for it "Do it the way we want or die" is a pretty bold take. Are you going to enforce this or demand to have law enforcement or even military units do it?
- palmfacehn 2y agoUltimately this is the basis for governance, including zoning and code enforcement. However, I agree with your sentiment. You'll notice the loaded language used in the title of the article: "California's future depends on how leaders rebuild". Ideally I would think that the landowners should have priority in deciding what is built on their land. After all it is still at least nominally their private property. Expect further arguments towards a subjectively perceived "greater collective good" to follow from that point. After this is established, the ends justify the means. In this case, the above poster explicitly describes the means as "men with guns".
- mmooss 2y ago> Ultimately this is the basis for governance That's a myth / fantasy of gun and violence zealots and anti-liberals. Obviously, to scholars and to anyone looking at the world, the basis for governance is consent. There are not enough guns in the world to do it otherwise. And I've never and I don't know anyone who has ever done something because the government pointed a gun at them. They did it because they are law-abiding people, social beings, and want a fair, ordered society.
- hollerith 2y agoI don't suspect that OP fails to understand the importance of consent, but I do suspect that you fail to understand the importance of lawful carefully-target violence.
- grajaganDev 2y agoBut those celebrities and other well-off industry personnel are now burned out. The city could issue no permits to rebuild SFH on that land and then buy it for 15-minute walkable development.
- School-Cotton 2y agoYou are living in a fantasy.
- palmfacehn 2y agoIt may be a fantasy for some, but for those who are derided as conspiracy theorists, it is a nightmare scenario.
- ceejayoz 2y agoIf they want to be in litigation with angry deep pocketed people for a few decades, sure.
- laweijfmvo 2y agoThis. It's not like all of downtown LA was leveled and we get to re-imagine it through rose-colored glasses.
- mmooss 2y agoIt's a bit paradoxical that people on HN believe anything is possible in technology - we're going to live on Mars! - but advocate hopelessness in other matters. It's just like technology: If you make it happen, it will happen. If you don't, it won't. Some people are working hard, developing the technology, while many sit around saying it's impossible, etc. Opportunity knocks, right now. There's no guarantee of success. Let's go!
- HDThoreaun 2y agoPolitics is much harder than technological innovation.
- mmooss 2y agoFor some people!