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Who decides what is a fact? The company? The twitter and Facebook disclosures show how easily that can be gamed by corrupt people in power.

like_any_other 2y ago
> Who decides what is a fact? The company? Government-selected "trusted flaggers": Nonetheless, under the DSA, the status of trusted flagger is awarded by the "Digital Services Coordinator," which is a national authority responsible for supervising the services of online platforms. The DSA allows law enforcement agencies or profit-seeking industry organizations to apply for the status of a trusted flagger, the notices of which must be treated with priority. - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/enforcement-overreach-could-turn-out-be-real-problem-eus-digital-services-act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/enforcement-overreach-... Oh, and executive-branch agencies can order take-downs, without a court signing off: Article 8 empowers national judicial or administrative authorities to issue mandatory takedown orders directly to “intermediary services" such as social media networks. In its recent vote, the Parliament rejected EFF’s suggestion and the proposal by the Civil Liberties Committee to limit these powers to independent courts. Instead, the Parliament followed the Commission’s proposal and allowed a broad category of non-independent authorities to exercise this power.
- rolph 2y ago
  that seems to be a roundabout way of saying gov moderators will decide
  - like_any_other 2y ago
    Roundabout? I thought it was quite direct.
- exabrial 2y ago
  That is unbelievably scary, anti-democratic, ripe for abuse, and a push towards authoritarianism. How many times has the government convinced people something horrible is fine? I'd rather people just be suspicious of everything.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    >That is unbelievably scary, anti-democratic, ripe for abuse, and a push towards authoritarianism Brussels in a nutshell...
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
How is it decided if a medicine is effective or safe? How do we determine if an advertisement is truthful or not? How is it determined if someone committed a murder or not? Finding of fact is a function government carries out thousands of times a day.
- coldtea 2y ago
  A medicine being effective or safe is not a matter of politics, or opinion. A court (deciding who commited murder, etc) is not a government. As for advertisments, we decide for ourselves.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Finding of fact is a function government carries out thousands of times a day. "Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb ?" Pink Floyd

like_any_other 2y ago

> Who decides what is a fact? The company? Government-selected "trusted flaggers": Nonetheless, under the DSA, the status of trusted flagger is awarded by the "Digital Services Coordinator," which is a national authority responsible for supervising the services of online platforms. The DSA allows law enforcement agencies or profit-seeking industry organizations to apply for the status of a trusted flagger, the notices of which must be treated with priority. - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/enforcement-overreach-could-turn-out-be-real-problem-eus-digital-services-act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/enforcement-overreach-... Oh, and executive-branch agencies can order take-downs, without a court signing off: Article 8 empowers national judicial or administrative authorities to issue mandatory takedown orders directly to “intermediary services" such as social media networks. In its recent vote, the Parliament rejected EFF’s suggestion and the proposal by the Civil Liberties Committee to limit these powers to independent courts. Instead, the Parliament followed the Commission’s proposal and allowed a broad category of non-independent authorities to exercise this power.

rolph 2y ago
that seems to be a roundabout way of saying gov moderators will decide
- like_any_other 2y ago
  Roundabout? I thought it was quite direct.
exabrial 2y ago
That is unbelievably scary, anti-democratic, ripe for abuse, and a push towards authoritarianism. How many times has the government convinced people something horrible is fine? I'd rather people just be suspicious of everything.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >That is unbelievably scary, anti-democratic, ripe for abuse, and a push towards authoritarianism Brussels in a nutshell...

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago

How is it decided if a medicine is effective or safe? How do we determine if an advertisement is truthful or not? How is it determined if someone committed a murder or not? Finding of fact is a function government carries out thousands of times a day.

coldtea 2y ago
A medicine being effective or safe is not a matter of politics, or opinion. A court (deciding who commited murder, etc) is not a government. As for advertisments, we decide for ourselves.
hulitu 2y ago
> Finding of fact is a function government carries out thousands of times a day. "Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb ?" Pink Floyd