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You seem to be doing this in good faith but honestly, there is no difference between 'Discovery Call" and a "Sales Call". The point is that the customer has to

You seem to be doing this in good faith but honestly, there is no difference between 'Discovery Call" and a "Sales Call". The point is that the customer has to speak with someone first. I do think it is required for enterprise deals but the premise of your post seems to say otherwise.

ZeWaka 2y ago
Yeah, I was annoyed at this too but I think they're differentiating it by having the price already set, and it's just a way for Companies to do the intro dance if they want to. I know my immediate decision-makers at my company wouldn't use a vendor if there was no call.
ratherbefuddled 2y ago
The call offered here is optional isn't it? You can engage entirely over email for enterprise deals.
ezekg 2y ago
There absolutely is a difference between one 15-minute call to see faces vs a pipeline of ten 30- to 60-minute calls discussing requirements, compliance, pricing, billing, onboarding, implementation, and support over the course of 6 months.
- satvikpendem 2y ago
  Sales calls usually start with a discovery call then move to those later stages in the pipeline though, so you're just calling a sales call by another name.
  - ezekg 2y ago
    I think this is being quite pedantic, especially if you've done enterprise sales before.
    - satvikpendem 2y ago
      Well, no, it seems your distinction is what is pedantic, as you are differentiating between discovery calls and sales calls when most would call them one and the same. This in my opinion undermines the point of your article.
      - ezekg 2y ago
        Fair enough. The point of #nocalls is to dip out of the dance, not of all communication. :) You can take it to the extreme, like I did for a long time, or adapt it for yourself.
        satvikpendem 2y ago
        I just read your other comment [0], this idea makes more sense in that you don't do any future calls, it's more like customer support in terms of helping them answer questions rather than beginning a pipeline. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42725385#42730669 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42725385#42730669

ZeWaka 2y ago

Yeah, I was annoyed at this too but I think they're differentiating it by having the price already set, and it's just a way for Companies to do the intro dance if they want to. I know my immediate decision-makers at my company wouldn't use a vendor if there was no call.

ratherbefuddled 2y ago

The call offered here is optional isn't it? You can engage entirely over email for enterprise deals.

ezekg 2y ago

There absolutely is a difference between one 15-minute call to see faces vs a pipeline of ten 30- to 60-minute calls discussing requirements, compliance, pricing, billing, onboarding, implementation, and support over the course of 6 months.

satvikpendem 2y ago
Sales calls usually start with a discovery call then move to those later stages in the pipeline though, so you're just calling a sales call by another name.
- ezekg 2y ago
  I think this is being quite pedantic, especially if you've done enterprise sales before.
  - satvikpendem 2y ago
    Well, no, it seems your distinction is what is pedantic, as you are differentiating between discovery calls and sales calls when most would call them one and the same. This in my opinion undermines the point of your article.
    - ezekg 2y ago
      Fair enough. The point of #nocalls is to dip out of the dance, not of all communication. :) You can take it to the extreme, like I did for a long time, or adapt it for yourself.
      - satvikpendem 2y ago
        I just read your other comment [0], this idea makes more sense in that you don't do any future calls, it's more like customer support in terms of helping them answer questions rather than beginning a pipeline. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42725385#42730669 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42725385#42730669