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Coming from a modern console, the first hour of Tears of the Kingdom felt painfully sluggish.

by pebble 2y ago

pjmlp 2y ago
One complaint from a catalog of how many games?
- Hasu 2y ago
  Tears of the Kingdom is far from the only Switch game with performance issues. Off the top of my head, the newest Pokemon games (and the next newest, to a lesser extent) run like shit on the Switch. I've heard complaints about other games too. It was underpowered when it was released in 2016, so it really shouldn't be that surprising.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Again, from how many? And if we are going to start counting frame drops as argument against focusing on gameplay instead of triangles per second, there is no safe platform then.
    - Hasu 2y ago
      I don't think the number of games in the catalogue matters in this discussion? There are hundreds of Switch games that perform great, and I don't care because I will never play them. When I play a game and there are frame drops, stuttering, lag, dropped inputs, etc., it reduces my fun just as much as if the game were poorly designed. Maybe that's not the case for you, maybe you don't care, but I do, so do others. I don't think Nintendo should make a console that rivals the best machine money can buy. I do think they took too long to refresh the hardware in the Switch lineup and their customers are worse off for it.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        So better not buy any computing device. Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered.
        Hasu 2y ago
        > So better not buy any computing device. I don't have this issue on other computing devices. My PC runs all the games I want to play on it very well. I can also upgrade the hardware whenever I want, unlike in my Switch. > Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered. What does this have to do with the fact that the Switch has performance issues with first party Nintendo games? Hardware power only makes sense when talking about the software you want to run on it. The Switch is underpowered for software released exclusively for it, by the company that makes it. It's not underpowered for NES games, sure, but neither is an NES.
        stnmtn 2y ago
        The Switch 1 is certainly underpowered compared to what it's competing with in the market with right now. That's why Nintendo is making a switch 2.
    - jacobgkau 2y ago
      It's not "safe from any frame drops" vs. "has frame drops." How often they drop to what framerate for how long is what makes up the experience. (Similarly, I don't need games on my Switch to look as high-fidelity as my 4090 renders them on my PC, but more textures/reflections would still be welcome over less.) That's why I agree with what some others in the thread have said-- we'll need to wait for either numbers or, absolutely, some real-world experience to know how big of an improvement we can actually expect to get from an upgrade.
- smugma 2y ago
  Why do people by a Switch? Mario (Kart), Zelda, and Pokémon. Those three franchises represent a huge percent of sales. 70%?
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    People that hardly know Nintendo yes. People that know Nintendo, buy those and plenty of others.

Coming from a modern console, the first hour of Tears of the Kingdom felt painfully sluggish.

by pebble 2y ago

Coming from a modern console, the first hour of Tears of the Kingdom felt painfully sluggish.

pjmlp 2y ago

One complaint from a catalog of how many games?

Hasu 2y ago
Tears of the Kingdom is far from the only Switch game with performance issues. Off the top of my head, the newest Pokemon games (and the next newest, to a lesser extent) run like shit on the Switch. I've heard complaints about other games too. It was underpowered when it was released in 2016, so it really shouldn't be that surprising.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Again, from how many? And if we are going to start counting frame drops as argument against focusing on gameplay instead of triangles per second, there is no safe platform then.
  - Hasu 2y ago
    I don't think the number of games in the catalogue matters in this discussion? There are hundreds of Switch games that perform great, and I don't care because I will never play them. When I play a game and there are frame drops, stuttering, lag, dropped inputs, etc., it reduces my fun just as much as if the game were poorly designed. Maybe that's not the case for you, maybe you don't care, but I do, so do others. I don't think Nintendo should make a console that rivals the best machine money can buy. I do think they took too long to refresh the hardware in the Switch lineup and their customers are worse off for it.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      So better not buy any computing device. Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered.
      - Hasu 2y ago
        > So better not buy any computing device. I don't have this issue on other computing devices. My PC runs all the games I want to play on it very well. I can also upgrade the hardware whenever I want, unlike in my Switch. > Having been through the demoscene and home computing days since their birth, I can only laugh when calling Switch underpowered. What does this have to do with the fact that the Switch has performance issues with first party Nintendo games? Hardware power only makes sense when talking about the software you want to run on it. The Switch is underpowered for software released exclusively for it, by the company that makes it. It's not underpowered for NES games, sure, but neither is an NES.
      - stnmtn 2y ago
        The Switch 1 is certainly underpowered compared to what it's competing with in the market with right now. That's why Nintendo is making a switch 2.
  - jacobgkau 2y ago
    It's not "safe from any frame drops" vs. "has frame drops." How often they drop to what framerate for how long is what makes up the experience. (Similarly, I don't need games on my Switch to look as high-fidelity as my 4090 renders them on my PC, but more textures/reflections would still be welcome over less.) That's why I agree with what some others in the thread have said-- we'll need to wait for either numbers or, absolutely, some real-world experience to know how big of an improvement we can actually expect to get from an upgrade.
smugma 2y ago
Why do people by a Switch? Mario (Kart), Zelda, and Pokémon. Those three franchises represent a huge percent of sales. 70%?
- pjmlp 2y ago
  People that hardly know Nintendo yes. People that know Nintendo, buy those and plenty of others.