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I have tons of friends that took his classes at CMU, as much as everything he says sounds good I don't know a single person that has ever enjoyed a game he made

I have tons of friends that took his classes at CMU, as much as everything he says sounds good I don't know a single person that has ever enjoyed a game he made. Because of that, I have to assume what he says is either fluff or wrong even if i can't perceive why exactly

daseiner1 2y ago
Obviously you’d be a better judge than I am given your inside knowledge, but your comment reminds me of the many virtuoso musicians who don’t really make music people like. There’s a gap between technical ability and taste, artfulness.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  It's not that he's making games too avant garde or something that might be going over my head. His company just makes corporate slop, not a single enjoyable game amongst them
no_wizard 2y ago
I feel a great deal of the games Schell produces are for clients (like ports) or serve as a more in-depth proof of concept. I think the client work pays the bills though, looking at their catalog.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Yep, but that's a totally separate thing from making good games
  - dowager_dan99 2y ago
    Usually but not always. There have been some great corporate projects, but it does feel like they are less common now than say 10+ years ago, and typically neat twists on existing successes vs. unique ideas
ghostzilla 2y ago
That's interesting, it hasn't occurred to me to check his games. That said, I remember reading that Machiaveli was once given a territory to govern and he was terrible at it, despite The Prince. It may be a thing about teachers vs doers. THAT said, there is a lot of intersting things one can learn from John Carmack, so there's an exception to every rule.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  >That said, I remember reading that Machiaveli was once given a territory to govern and he was terrible at it, despite The Prince. this is a great articulation of what i'm trying to say thanks

daseiner1 2y ago

Obviously you’d be a better judge than I am given your inside knowledge, but your comment reminds me of the many virtuoso musicians who don’t really make music people like. There’s a gap between technical ability and taste, artfulness.

snapcaster 2y ago
It's not that he's making games too avant garde or something that might be going over my head. His company just makes corporate slop, not a single enjoyable game amongst them

no_wizard 2y ago

I feel a great deal of the games Schell produces are for clients (like ports) or serve as a more in-depth proof of concept. I think the client work pays the bills though, looking at their catalog.

snapcaster 2y ago
Yep, but that's a totally separate thing from making good games
- dowager_dan99 2y ago
  Usually but not always. There have been some great corporate projects, but it does feel like they are less common now than say 10+ years ago, and typically neat twists on existing successes vs. unique ideas

ghostzilla 2y ago

That's interesting, it hasn't occurred to me to check his games. That said, I remember reading that Machiaveli was once given a territory to govern and he was terrible at it, despite The Prince. It may be a thing about teachers vs doers. THAT said, there is a lot of intersting things one can learn from John Carmack, so there's an exception to every rule.

snapcaster 2y ago
>That said, I remember reading that Machiaveli was once given a territory to govern and he was terrible at it, despite The Prince. this is a great articulation of what i'm trying to say thanks