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If the prison is your homeland, it might be.

by js8 2y ago

exe34 2y ago
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- js8 2y ago
  You do know that half of the Gaza population have been born there, right?
  - exe34 2y ago
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    - SauciestGNU 2y ago
      Because sex is pleasurable and people have a drive to overcome adversity and lead the most fulfilling lives they can. Israel depriving the Gazan population of those opportunities is also a form of collective punishment and torture.
      - exe34 2y ago
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        SauciestGNU 2y ago
        > can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel? We literally don't know, because since the establishment of the state of Israel that has never been allowed to happen. > only if you're straight. if you're gay, the Palestinians will throw you off a building. Can you cite even one case of this actually happening?
        exe34 2y ago
        > We literally don't know, are you sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_at...
        SauciestGNU 2y ago
        These did not come at a time when Palestinians had unrestricted access to Israel, though. These happened while Israel was militarily occupying Gaza and the West Bank (yes, international institutions recognize Gaza has been occupied via blockade and control of resources, even though the IDF had "withdrawn").
        runarberg 2y ago
        > Can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel? What would happen is that human rights would have been upheld, apartheid would have been dismantled, refugees would have been given access to their former homes, as is their right. I think I know what you are trying to insinuate here. And that insinuation is quite racist. A large part of what is now Israel was the home to many Palestinians before they were forcibly removed from there. Forcible relocation of civilian population is a crime against humanity, and those that were displaced, as well as their descendants, have the right to return to their former homes, whether that home is in Israel or Palestine. Denying that right is also a crime against humanity. What happens to the ethno-demographic prospects of the state doing the crime should not be a consideration.
        exe34 2y ago
        > I think I know what you are trying to insinuate here. And that insinuation is quite racist how did you bring racism into this? do you do that with any conversations you find yourself in the middle of? > What happens to the ethno-demographic prospects of the state doing the crime should not be a consideration. and you wonder why Israel wants Hamas eradicated.
        runarberg 2y ago
        I might be wrong about this but the question “Can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel?“ smells like you have some assumptions about Palestinians that makes it dangerous for non-Palestinians to live around. If you actually believe that, that would be a very racist assumption. Your second statement is mixing hypothetical reality with an actual reality. Only Israel is pursuing ethno-demographic policies. You may believe Hamas wants to pursue similar but reverse policies, and you may even be right about that, but the fact is they aren’t. Only Israel is. If Hamas gains full control over an independent state of Palestine, and sets up an apartheid system where Palestinians maintains a systemic oppression against non-Palestinian Jews, then we can dismiss their prospects. But until then, we should only dismiss the prospects of those that actually are committing the crimes, which is the state of Israel.
        hmcq6 2y ago
        > only if you're straight. if you're gay, the Palestinians will throw you off a building. This is such a gross statement. First of all, Palestinians are not all religious fundamentalists. Hamas is not Daesh. There is no sharia law in Palestine. Your statement is textbook islamophobia. Second, are you really invoking gay rights in the context of a genocide? I'm sorry can you please send me the news article you must have read stating Israel is using LGBTQ-avoiding bombs? Because to argue that the LGBT community would have it worse under Palestinian statehood than the current genocide is truely mind-boggling. Would you make the same claim about gay Jews in Germany? In the concentration camps?
        Thiez 2y ago
        > only if you're straight. if you're gay, the Palestinians will throw you off a building. What building? Two thirds of them have been bombed by Israel. > can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel? Palestinians lived in what is now called "Israel" for thousands of years. It seems that went just fine. It's only recently that an ethnostate has been established on their land and many of the original inhabitants ethnically cleansed or straight up murdered that hostility has risen sharply. Perhaps the ethnostate can be abolished and peace can return in the region.
    - ignoramous 2y ago
      Palestinians go back not because the Israeli+Egyptian+Hamas siege has turned the Strip in to Switzerland, but because they are steadfast in their resistance to ethnic cleansing & cultural erasure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumud Kind of similar to how the Polish Jews setup schools, orphanages, religious institutions that in the Warsaw Ghetto as a form of resistance.
- tradertef 2y ago
  who displaced them?
  - exe34 2y ago
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    - ignoramous 2y ago
      Early Zionists cooked reality so much that the study of what actually went on created its own class of historians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historians Uncook your priors.
      - exe34 2y ago
        21% of Israel's population is Arab - they have lived side by side with the Jews there for centuries. Why on earth would the Jews displace some of the Arabs and give full citizenship to the others if they just wanted the land? I hate your pseudo-intellectualism - "uncook your priors" indeed. You've roasted your priors and burnt your likelihood.
        ignoramous 2y ago
        Mandatory Palestine was way more than 21% Arab. And Jews did live side by side & were culturally assimilated, but those that migrated to Palestine/South Syria (after 1890s) didn't & had ambitions of an exclusive state for themselves. > Why on earth would the Jews displace some of the Arabs and give full citizenship to the others No, those that were allowed to remain ("the good Arabs") post 48 were under military rule for 2 decades. Those that now remain occupied after 67 are under hybrid IDF+PA rule. > hate your pseudo-intellectualism Intellectualism? You give me too much credit. Hate the "New Historians" who are all Israeli & speaking their truth.
        exe34 2y ago
        the Arabs who live in Israel today enjoy the same rights as the Jews. the ones in the post 67 are under hybrid rule precisely because the Oct 7 attacks are the sort of things that happen when the people of Gaza and the West Bank are given freedom.

If the prison is your homeland, it might be.

by js8 2y ago

If the prison is your homeland, it might be.

exe34 2y ago

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js8 2y ago
You do know that half of the Gaza population have been born there, right?
- exe34 2y ago
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  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    Because sex is pleasurable and people have a drive to overcome adversity and lead the most fulfilling lives they can. Israel depriving the Gazan population of those opportunities is also a form of collective punishment and torture.
    - exe34 2y ago
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      - SauciestGNU 2y ago
        > can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel? We literally don't know, because since the establishment of the state of Israel that has never been allowed to happen. > only if you're straight. if you're gay, the Palestinians will throw you off a building. Can you cite even one case of this actually happening?
        exe34 2y ago
        > We literally don't know, are you sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_at...
        SauciestGNU 2y ago
        These did not come at a time when Palestinians had unrestricted access to Israel, though. These happened while Israel was militarily occupying Gaza and the West Bank (yes, international institutions recognize Gaza has been occupied via blockade and control of resources, even though the IDF had "withdrawn").
      - runarberg 2y ago
        > Can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel? What would happen is that human rights would have been upheld, apartheid would have been dismantled, refugees would have been given access to their former homes, as is their right. I think I know what you are trying to insinuate here. And that insinuation is quite racist. A large part of what is now Israel was the home to many Palestinians before they were forcibly removed from there. Forcible relocation of civilian population is a crime against humanity, and those that were displaced, as well as their descendants, have the right to return to their former homes, whether that home is in Israel or Palestine. Denying that right is also a crime against humanity. What happens to the ethno-demographic prospects of the state doing the crime should not be a consideration.
        exe34 2y ago
        > I think I know what you are trying to insinuate here. And that insinuation is quite racist how did you bring racism into this? do you do that with any conversations you find yourself in the middle of? > What happens to the ethno-demographic prospects of the state doing the crime should not be a consideration. and you wonder why Israel wants Hamas eradicated.
        runarberg 2y ago
        I might be wrong about this but the question “Can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel?“ smells like you have some assumptions about Palestinians that makes it dangerous for non-Palestinians to live around. If you actually believe that, that would be a very racist assumption. Your second statement is mixing hypothetical reality with an actual reality. Only Israel is pursuing ethno-demographic policies. You may believe Hamas wants to pursue similar but reverse policies, and you may even be right about that, but the fact is they aren’t. Only Israel is. If Hamas gains full control over an independent state of Palestine, and sets up an apartheid system where Palestinians maintains a systemic oppression against non-Palestinian Jews, then we can dismiss their prospects. But until then, we should only dismiss the prospects of those that actually are committing the crimes, which is the state of Israel.
      - hmcq6 2y ago
        > only if you're straight. if you're gay, the Palestinians will throw you off a building. This is such a gross statement. First of all, Palestinians are not all religious fundamentalists. Hamas is not Daesh. There is no sharia law in Palestine. Your statement is textbook islamophobia. Second, are you really invoking gay rights in the context of a genocide? I'm sorry can you please send me the news article you must have read stating Israel is using LGBTQ-avoiding bombs? Because to argue that the LGBT community would have it worse under Palestinian statehood than the current genocide is truely mind-boggling. Would you make the same claim about gay Jews in Germany? In the concentration camps?
      - Thiez 2y ago
        > only if you're straight. if you're gay, the Palestinians will throw you off a building. What building? Two thirds of them have been bombed by Israel. > can you tell me what happens when Palestinians have unfettered access to Israel? Palestinians lived in what is now called "Israel" for thousands of years. It seems that went just fine. It's only recently that an ethnostate has been established on their land and many of the original inhabitants ethnically cleansed or straight up murdered that hostility has risen sharply. Perhaps the ethnostate can be abolished and peace can return in the region.
  - ignoramous 2y ago
    Palestinians go back not because the Israeli+Egyptian+Hamas siege has turned the Strip in to Switzerland, but because they are steadfast in their resistance to ethnic cleansing & cultural erasure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumud Kind of similar to how the Polish Jews setup schools, orphanages, religious institutions that in the Warsaw Ghetto as a form of resistance.
tradertef 2y ago
who displaced them?
- exe34 2y ago
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  - ignoramous 2y ago
    Early Zionists cooked reality so much that the study of what actually went on created its own class of historians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historians Uncook your priors.
    - exe34 2y ago
      21% of Israel's population is Arab - they have lived side by side with the Jews there for centuries. Why on earth would the Jews displace some of the Arabs and give full citizenship to the others if they just wanted the land? I hate your pseudo-intellectualism - "uncook your priors" indeed. You've roasted your priors and burnt your likelihood.
      - ignoramous 2y ago
        Mandatory Palestine was way more than 21% Arab. And Jews did live side by side & were culturally assimilated, but those that migrated to Palestine/South Syria (after 1890s) didn't & had ambitions of an exclusive state for themselves. > Why on earth would the Jews displace some of the Arabs and give full citizenship to the others No, those that were allowed to remain ("the good Arabs") post 48 were under military rule for 2 decades. Those that now remain occupied after 67 are under hybrid IDF+PA rule. > hate your pseudo-intellectualism Intellectualism? You give me too much credit. Hate the "New Historians" who are all Israeli & speaking their truth.
        exe34 2y ago
        the Arabs who live in Israel today enjoy the same rights as the Jews. the ones in the post 67 are under hybrid rule precisely because the Oct 7 attacks are the sort of things that happen when the people of Gaza and the West Bank are given freedom.