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> it's about security Dig up WW2 German propaganda. It is the same hysteria around "security" aka "If we Aryans don't genocide, all the bad non-Aryans will gen

> it's about security Dig up WW2 German propaganda. It is the same hysteria around "security" aka "If we Aryans don't genocide, all the bad non-Aryans will genocide us". > What I think is clear is that Israel is not obligated to go easy on Hamas just because Hamas is economically and militarily weak. Not what the International Law Israel is signatory to, says. Besides, you'd do well to recall that NATO imposed a no-fly zone over Libya so that Gaddafi wouldn't bomb the living daylights out of the rebels who didn't have an Airforce to counteract. And we all know, NATO did no such thing for Palestinians. > Personally I think killing is justified in self defense Whatever the current campaign is, it has wretched far beyond "self-defense": https://www.regthink.org/the-day-of-today/ https://www.regthink.org/the-day-of-today/ > Being oppressed doesn’t automatically make you right That it may not, but the Oppressor is by definition in the wrong.

HDThoreaun 2y ago
The Israeli security narrative is not hysteria. It is a fact that Palestinian militants have committed terrorism against Israelis and they plan to continue to do so at every given opportunity. The same can not be said for the Jews in Germany(nor the Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign like Hamas has). A bit confusing to me that you can’t see the obvious difference between lies and fact. Unfortunately the Palestinians have left the Israelis with the options of “oppress the Palestinians” or “be the victim of terrorist attacks”. I don’t think they’re wrong for choosing to be safe.
- ignoramous 2y ago
  > The Israeli security narrative is not hysteria "Settlements is security" is in fact a restraint on Palestinian part, while settlers/govt/IDF continue to ramp up the ante. This article examines the choice made by the Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since October 7, 2023, not to rise against the increasing oppression by the Israeli settlers, military, and government. This choice, to which the Israeli public and professional discourse appears to be completely blind, is particularly surprising against the backdrop of the dramatic events of the past year. https://www.regthink.org/en/fanon-west-bank/ https://www.regthink.org/en/fanon-west-bank/ > Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign Now that they rule the land, they don't. There's no need for "terrorism" as "militarism" has long replaced it. Back in the day, Irgun/Lehi, by all measures, were every bit Fascist terrorists themselves: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/terror-out-zion-irgun-zvai-leumi-lehi-and-palestine-underground https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/terror-o...
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  > nor the Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign like Hamas has Israelis have killed at least an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians ever killed Israelis, even before the 7th October war, even counting the 7th October war crimes by Hamas. The fact that Palestinians do this with bomb cars while the Israelis do it in uniform and with sniper rifles or planes doesn't change anything about who the real threat to whose security is.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    Winning a war is not terrorism. Israel would not be in Gaza at all if oct 7 hasn’t happened.
    - tsimionescu 2y ago
      Israel has been in Gaza ever since the 1950s or so. They only stopped directly occupying Gaza about 18 years ago. They have since enforced a complete blockade of Gaza, and have shot and killed or bombed thousands of Palestinians, before October 7th.
      - HDThoreaun 2y ago
        Winning a war isn’t terrorism. The Palestinians and their Arab allies started every war except the original one and even that is arguable. Losing has consequences. The Palestinians can now choose to settle for what little Israel will give them or they can continue starting wars/engaging in terrorism which will lead to them never having any level of sovereignty.
        dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Winning a war isn’t terrorism. The Palestinians and their Arab allies started every war except the original one There is no war except the original one, which never ended with a peace (although a few participants eventually made peace with Israel.) The other things often referred to as separate wars are just more active phases of the same war.

HDThoreaun 2y ago

The Israeli security narrative is not hysteria. It is a fact that Palestinian militants have committed terrorism against Israelis and they plan to continue to do so at every given opportunity. The same can not be said for the Jews in Germany(nor the Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign like Hamas has). A bit confusing to me that you can’t see the obvious difference between lies and fact. Unfortunately the Palestinians have left the Israelis with the options of “oppress the Palestinians” or “be the victim of terrorist attacks”. I don’t think they’re wrong for choosing to be safe.

ignoramous 2y ago
> The Israeli security narrative is not hysteria "Settlements is security" is in fact a restraint on Palestinian part, while settlers/govt/IDF continue to ramp up the ante. This article examines the choice made by the Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since October 7, 2023, not to rise against the increasing oppression by the Israeli settlers, military, and government. This choice, to which the Israeli public and professional discourse appears to be completely blind, is particularly surprising against the backdrop of the dramatic events of the past year. https://www.regthink.org/en/fanon-west-bank/ https://www.regthink.org/en/fanon-west-bank/ > Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign Now that they rule the land, they don't. There's no need for "terrorism" as "militarism" has long replaced it. Back in the day, Irgun/Lehi, by all measures, were every bit Fascist terrorists themselves: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/terror-out-zion-irgun-zvai-leumi-lehi-and-palestine-underground https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/terror-o...
tsimionescu 2y ago
> nor the Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign like Hamas has Israelis have killed at least an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians ever killed Israelis, even before the 7th October war, even counting the 7th October war crimes by Hamas. The fact that Palestinians do this with bomb cars while the Israelis do it in uniform and with sniper rifles or planes doesn't change anything about who the real threat to whose security is.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  Winning a war is not terrorism. Israel would not be in Gaza at all if oct 7 hasn’t happened.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    Israel has been in Gaza ever since the 1950s or so. They only stopped directly occupying Gaza about 18 years ago. They have since enforced a complete blockade of Gaza, and have shot and killed or bombed thousands of Palestinians, before October 7th.
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      Winning a war isn’t terrorism. The Palestinians and their Arab allies started every war except the original one and even that is arguable. Losing has consequences. The Palestinians can now choose to settle for what little Israel will give them or they can continue starting wars/engaging in terrorism which will lead to them never having any level of sovereignty.
      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Winning a war isn’t terrorism. The Palestinians and their Arab allies started every war except the original one There is no war except the original one, which never ended with a peace (although a few participants eventually made peace with Israel.) The other things often referred to as separate wars are just more active phases of the same war.