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No, I did not. And he did so with misogynist language. Which made me twinge. I don't complain, I state my feelings. It just shows in what a weird time this wa

by tieno 14y ago

No, I did not. And he did so with misogynist language. Which made me twinge. I don't complain, I state my feelings. It just shows in what a weird time this was happening.

naturalethic 14y ago
The word "men" also means humanity you idiot.
- tieno 14y ago
  Yes, that is exactly the problem. Is that really so hard to understand?
  - rimantas 14y ago
    No, there is no problem. People looking for problems where are none are problem though.
    - ahelwer 14y ago
      All right, I'll pop in here I guess. This has obviously veered incredibly off-topic and I can absolutely forgive Armstrong for using that language so many years ago. Now, that being said language is powerful and inclusive language is important. I wouldn't dismiss this as a problem so candidly. Just registering my support for Tieno's issues so you don't dismiss them as a lone super-PC-police-person. Also, "that's just the way (the word is used)/(it is)" has never been a great defense of using non-inclusive language. Or anything, really.
      - GeorgeTirebiter 14y ago
        At that time, it was commonly understood that "men" in such a context included "women". This was before womens' lib, etc. English is an evolving language; basically, 43 years ago, "men" in this use meant something different than it does today.
mixmastamyk 14y ago
Uggh, I'm tired of people using that word so casually and where it doesn't apply.
gamache 14y ago
You're right, you didn't. My mistake, I apologize. A few questions though. Would you be displeased at someone saying "Hey guys!" or "Hi fellas!" or "What's up, dudes?" to a group of mixed gender? Do you feel that these greetings play a part in entrenching patriarchy in a real way? Do you feel that a protest against such greetings would play a part in overcoming patriarchy in a real way? Do you think it matters if the greeter knows the group they are greeting? If so, does it matter because of actual familiarity or just formality?

by tieno 14y ago

No, I did not. And he did so with misogynist language. Which made me twinge. I don't complain, I state my feelings. It just shows in what a weird time this was happening.

naturalethic 14y ago

The word "men" also means humanity you idiot.

tieno 14y ago
Yes, that is exactly the problem. Is that really so hard to understand?
- rimantas 14y ago
  No, there is no problem. People looking for problems where are none are problem though.
  - ahelwer 14y ago
    All right, I'll pop in here I guess. This has obviously veered incredibly off-topic and I can absolutely forgive Armstrong for using that language so many years ago. Now, that being said language is powerful and inclusive language is important. I wouldn't dismiss this as a problem so candidly. Just registering my support for Tieno's issues so you don't dismiss them as a lone super-PC-police-person. Also, "that's just the way (the word is used)/(it is)" has never been a great defense of using non-inclusive language. Or anything, really.
    - GeorgeTirebiter 14y ago
      At that time, it was commonly understood that "men" in such a context included "women". This was before womens' lib, etc. English is an evolving language; basically, 43 years ago, "men" in this use meant something different than it does today.

mixmastamyk 14y ago

Uggh, I'm tired of people using that word so casually and where it doesn't apply.

gamache 14y ago

You're right, you didn't. My mistake, I apologize. A few questions though. Would you be displeased at someone saying "Hey guys!" or "Hi fellas!" or "What's up, dudes?" to a group of mixed gender? Do you feel that these greetings play a part in entrenching patriarchy in a real way? Do you feel that a protest against such greetings would play a part in overcoming patriarchy in a real way? Do you think it matters if the greeter knows the group they are greeting? If so, does it matter because of actual familiarity or just formality?