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You don’t resist by filming yourself slaughtering children under captagon. Please see what French resistance was. Hamas and its apologetics are terrorists. And

You don’t resist by filming yourself slaughtering children under captagon. Please see what French resistance was. Hamas and its apologetics are terrorists. And barbarians

slt2021 2y ago
how do you call israeli soldier bulldozing palestinian children? israeli atrocities are much worse because of casualty numbers are much higher on palestinian side and 60% of victims are children and women
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > how do you call israeli soldier bulldozing palestinian children? Technically a war crime, but of the variety that happens in every war and has basically never been punished. Anywhere. It’s horrible. But that’s war. There is no such thing as a clean or just war, it’s always going to be horrible, the aim is literally to kill each other. It seems once every ten years we find a war and zoom in closely and realise that war is horrible. The lucky ones this time were Ukraine and Palestine. The unlucky ones, basically everyone in Southeast Asia and Africa.
  - kelthuzad 2y ago
    > It’s horrible. But that’s war. Was the holocaust just war? Was the Warsaw ghetto uprising a war against Germany? It takes 2 armies to have a war, not a colonized people locked up in an open air prison fighting against a sophisticated army, armed by one of the world's superpower, in flip flops while the colonizing army can't even bother to focus on the fighters and so just drops 2000 pound bunker bombs on entire families over and over again for 15 months straight. South Africa has compiled dozens of pages documenting explicitly genocidal intent from high ranking israeli officials for its ICC case. "UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war" https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Was the holocaust just war? Was the Warsaw ghetto uprising a war against Germany? Not a fan of creating caste systems of victimhood. But in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, how many German civilians were killed? And I never said "just" war. I said it's war. Russia is killing children [1]. We've killed children [2]. There are multiple live conflicts in which children are being targeted and killed [3]. This isn't okay. My point is we haven't found a way to do modern war without this sort of collateral damage. > a colonized people locked up in an open air prison fighting against a sophisticated army, armed by one of the world's superpower Hamas is armed by Iran. Not a superpower, but certainly a capable regional power. Apartheid. Gandhi. Hell, M. L. K. It's a lot harder to claim the moral ground when both sides are committing war crimes. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/europe/ukraine-russian-strike-childrens-hospital-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/europe/ukraine-russian-strike... [2] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2780257/dod-august-29-strike-in-kabul-tragic-mistake-kills-10-civilians/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/27... [2] https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-21-children-reported-killed-violence-sudans-west-darfur https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-21-children-repo...
      - wqaatwt 2y ago
        > how many German civilians were killed? You’re saying that if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin and other German cities they would have decided not to do that?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > You’re saying that if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin and other German cities they would have decided not to do that? No, I'm saying if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin--and did--the moral case wouldn't be so clear cut. I'm also saying that if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin, they would have been well advised to focus first on strategic military or final solution targets.
        wqaatwt 2y ago
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  > how do call Whataboutism? Both sides might be wrong and commit horrible acts at the same time. However Israel can potentially change its policies (even if that’s unlikely). Hamas OTH is just objectively evil. The fact that they have a fraction of the resources that Israel has does not change that. > israeli atrocities are much I guess a matter of preference. Would you rather be raped and tortured for months or die quickly after a bomb hits you?
  - GordonS 2y ago
    This is pure Hasbara-style hyperbole - Hamas is not "objectively" evil, and there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months. But if that's the standard you're using, then it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death. There is video evidence and hundreds of testimonies. The Israeli gov even debated on why it's OK to rape detainees, and when the police tried to step in and do something, Israeli citizens rioted - in favour of the rapists! Absolutely sick. Israeli bulldozer drivers have bragged about driving over hundreds of Palestinians, both dead and alive. Israeli drones deliberately target children. Israel routinely designated areas as "safe", then bombs them. Israel has deliberately prevented humanitarian aid from reaching civilians. Israel routinely targets civilian infrastructure, including water storage facilities. Israel has destroyed almost every mosque in Gaza, just for fun. Israeli politicians spout the most vile genocidal BS on a daily basis. Israel has recently stolen yet more land in Lebanon and Syria. - and of course, Israel is still breaking the ceasefire in Lebanon, and even targeted UN peacekeepers. And of course, just before the Gaza ceasefire deal Israel went absolutely nuts bombing Gaza (even more than usual), just for the lolz. Oh, and Israel has weaponised antisemitism to silence critics of its genocidal, apartheid regime, and appears to have captured several western governments. Israel is objectively an evil, apartheid regime, determined to spread islamophobia
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months Well there's a line. > it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death The fact that there are evil people on both sides (as well as people on both sides who are both not evil and have very valid arguments) seems to befuddle us. And by the way, you can take a stand on the war as a whole while conceding that neither party in this has behaved well, though both have behaved somewhat in step with the precedent of warring states and Middle Eastern insurgents, respectively.
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You don’t resist by filming yourself slaughtering children under captagon. Please see what French resistance was. Hamas and its apologetics are terrorists. And barbarians

slt2021 2y ago

how do you call israeli soldier bulldozing palestinian children? israeli atrocities are much worse because of casualty numbers are much higher on palestinian side and 60% of victims are children and women

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> how do you call israeli soldier bulldozing palestinian children? Technically a war crime, but of the variety that happens in every war and has basically never been punished. Anywhere. It’s horrible. But that’s war. There is no such thing as a clean or just war, it’s always going to be horrible, the aim is literally to kill each other. It seems once every ten years we find a war and zoom in closely and realise that war is horrible. The lucky ones this time were Ukraine and Palestine. The unlucky ones, basically everyone in Southeast Asia and Africa.
- kelthuzad 2y ago
  > It’s horrible. But that’s war. Was the holocaust just war? Was the Warsaw ghetto uprising a war against Germany? It takes 2 armies to have a war, not a colonized people locked up in an open air prison fighting against a sophisticated army, armed by one of the world's superpower, in flip flops while the colonizing army can't even bother to focus on the fighters and so just drops 2000 pound bunker bombs on entire families over and over again for 15 months straight. South Africa has compiled dozens of pages documenting explicitly genocidal intent from high ranking israeli officials for its ICC case. "UN Special Committee finds Israel’s warfare methods in Gaza consistent with genocide, including use of starvation as weapon of war" https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Was the holocaust just war? Was the Warsaw ghetto uprising a war against Germany? Not a fan of creating caste systems of victimhood. But in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, how many German civilians were killed? And I never said "just" war. I said it's war. Russia is killing children [1]. We've killed children [2]. There are multiple live conflicts in which children are being targeted and killed [3]. This isn't okay. My point is we haven't found a way to do modern war without this sort of collateral damage. > a colonized people locked up in an open air prison fighting against a sophisticated army, armed by one of the world's superpower Hamas is armed by Iran. Not a superpower, but certainly a capable regional power. Apartheid. Gandhi. Hell, M. L. K. It's a lot harder to claim the moral ground when both sides are committing war crimes. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/europe/ukraine-russian-strike-childrens-hospital-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/europe/ukraine-russian-strike... [2] https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2780257/dod-august-29-strike-in-kabul-tragic-mistake-kills-10-civilians/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/27... [2] https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-21-children-reported-killed-violence-sudans-west-darfur https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/least-21-children-repo...
    - wqaatwt 2y ago
      > how many German civilians were killed? You’re saying that if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin and other German cities they would have decided not to do that?
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > You’re saying that if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin and other German cities they would have decided not to do that? No, I'm saying if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin--and did--the moral case wouldn't be so clear cut. I'm also saying that if they had the capacity to bomb Berlin, they would have been well advised to focus first on strategic military or final solution targets.
        wqaatwt 2y ago
wqaatwt 2y ago
> how do call Whataboutism? Both sides might be wrong and commit horrible acts at the same time. However Israel can potentially change its policies (even if that’s unlikely). Hamas OTH is just objectively evil. The fact that they have a fraction of the resources that Israel has does not change that. > israeli atrocities are much I guess a matter of preference. Would you rather be raped and tortured for months or die quickly after a bomb hits you?
- GordonS 2y ago
  This is pure Hasbara-style hyperbole - Hamas is not "objectively" evil, and there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months. But if that's the standard you're using, then it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death. There is video evidence and hundreds of testimonies. The Israeli gov even debated on why it's OK to rape detainees, and when the police tried to step in and do something, Israeli citizens rioted - in favour of the rapists! Absolutely sick. Israeli bulldozer drivers have bragged about driving over hundreds of Palestinians, both dead and alive. Israeli drones deliberately target children. Israel routinely designated areas as "safe", then bombs them. Israel has deliberately prevented humanitarian aid from reaching civilians. Israel routinely targets civilian infrastructure, including water storage facilities. Israel has destroyed almost every mosque in Gaza, just for fun. Israeli politicians spout the most vile genocidal BS on a daily basis. Israel has recently stolen yet more land in Lebanon and Syria. - and of course, Israel is still breaking the ceasefire in Lebanon, and even targeted UN peacekeepers. And of course, just before the Gaza ceasefire deal Israel went absolutely nuts bombing Gaza (even more than usual), just for the lolz. Oh, and Israel has weaponised antisemitism to silence critics of its genocidal, apartheid regime, and appears to have captured several western governments. Israel is objectively an evil, apartheid regime, determined to spread islamophobia
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months Well there's a line. > it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death The fact that there are evil people on both sides (as well as people on both sides who are both not evil and have very valid arguments) seems to befuddle us. And by the way, you can take a stand on the war as a whole while conceding that neither party in this has behaved well, though both have behaved somewhat in step with the precedent of warring states and Middle Eastern insurgents, respectively.

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