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That sentence you are critical of has 17(!) supporting citations listed.

klipt 2y ago
I'm sure you could find 17 citations that Muhammad had sex with underage girls but that's not the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on Muhammad, is it? Point being just because something is cited doesn't mean putting it in the first sentence is unbiased.
- albedoa 2y ago
  ...what?? What should the first sentence of the Zionism article be if not the definition of Zionism and the goals of Zionists? What would an unbiased but complete introductory sentence look like? If the foremost notable thing about Muhammad were that he had sex with underage girls, but instead the actual first sentence is about him being the founder of Islam, then you'd have a devastating point here.
  - klipt 2y ago
    > What would an unbiased but complete introductory sentence look like? The goal of Zionism is to create a safe haven for Jewish refugees, to prevent another situation like the Holocaust where millions of Jewish refugees were murdered.
    - albedoa 2y ago
      That is not the goal of Zionism! What in the world are you talking about. I would link you to the Wikipedia article, but, well.
      - klipt 2y ago
        Yes, we've established Wikipedia is biased.
        pydry 2y ago
        Not against Zionists, Jimmy Wales is a Zionist. The issue is that the reality distortion field that is required to maintain the current Zionist narrative is just too strong and it quickly falls apart even just by following some basic rules on fair citation.
        dlubarov 2y ago
        Jimmy Wales has no involvement in editing such articles. The Wikipedia Foundation doesn't involve itself in such matters either. For example, when concerns were raised about the ADL (a Jewish NGO) being banned as a source, they responded by (correctly) explaining that "neither the Board or the Foundation make content decisions on Wikipedia. A community of volunteers makes these decisions". Such content matters are entirely community decisions, so of course a biased community results in biased decisions.
        albedoa 2y ago
        We've established that it's as biased against Zionism as it is about Muhammad for leading with the fact that he founded Islam! Your line is bizarre.

I'm sure you could find 17 citations that Muhammad had sex with underage girls but that's not the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on Muhammad, is it? Point being just because something is cited doesn't mean putting it in the first sentence is unbiased.

albedoa 2y ago
...what?? What should the first sentence of the Zionism article be if not the definition of Zionism and the goals of Zionists? What would an unbiased but complete introductory sentence look like? If the foremost notable thing about Muhammad were that he had sex with underage girls, but instead the actual first sentence is about him being the founder of Islam, then you'd have a devastating point here.
- klipt 2y ago
  > What would an unbiased but complete introductory sentence look like? The goal of Zionism is to create a safe haven for Jewish refugees, to prevent another situation like the Holocaust where millions of Jewish refugees were murdered.
  - albedoa 2y ago
    That is not the goal of Zionism! What in the world are you talking about. I would link you to the Wikipedia article, but, well.
    - klipt 2y ago
      Yes, we've established Wikipedia is biased.
      - pydry 2y ago
        Not against Zionists, Jimmy Wales is a Zionist. The issue is that the reality distortion field that is required to maintain the current Zionist narrative is just too strong and it quickly falls apart even just by following some basic rules on fair citation.
        dlubarov 2y ago
        Jimmy Wales has no involvement in editing such articles. The Wikipedia Foundation doesn't involve itself in such matters either. For example, when concerns were raised about the ADL (a Jewish NGO) being banned as a source, they responded by (correctly) explaining that "neither the Board or the Foundation make content decisions on Wikipedia. A community of volunteers makes these decisions". Such content matters are entirely community decisions, so of course a biased community results in biased decisions.
      - albedoa 2y ago
        We've established that it's as biased against Zionism as it is about Muhammad for leading with the fact that he founded Islam! Your line is bizarre.