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It's a paper trail for me. Companies, as we saw recently, can do whatever they want on company chat platforms. Emails are nearly impossible to fully delete if t
by johnnyanmac 2y ago
It's a paper trail for me. Companies, as we saw recently, can do whatever they want on company chat platforms. Emails are nearly impossible to fully delete if they ever have to escalate to a lawsuit, and can (YMMV based on policy) let you BCC important trails to your personal email.
- gruez 2y agoIf it's that important you can screenshot it. If you're BCCing every email you sent to your personal email that is (or should be) an IT policy violation.
- be_erik 2y agoIt’s no different than using IMAP or POP3 to download your messages. This is the beauty and curse of email. It’s sometimes too transparent. I prefer it.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoYeah. It's not every email (I can probably count the number of times I did this on one hand). But if I feel like they're trying to bury some lead or simply want to CYA, I will try to at least download the email to the local machine (perfectly legimate) and BCC myself (Grey area) as an immitation of 3 backup strategies. I've never had to utilize thar BCC, fortunately. But yes, phone screenshot is another strategy with much less grey area. I'm just becoming more and more paranoid of some potential defense trying to accuse my photo of being doctored, especially with more and more AI tools available.
- homebrewer 2y agoScreenshots are trivial to forge. It is impossible to forge email that has passed through a server with proper DKIM setup.
- gruez 2y agoAt least on office365 internal emails aren't DKIM signed.
- usr1106 2y agoWhy is chat not a paper trail? Just yesterday I found a chat message that I had written in 2019 and I was surprised that I already back then knew things I did not know yesterday. (We are use zulip for chat which is better than everything else I have used since irc. But the search is too limited for someone who knows regexes.)
- amonith 2y agoBecause a company can revoke your access to the chat at any point in time. It's a one-sided paper trail. You can have an offline copy of emails and you can BCC them to your personal account if you want.
- usr1106 2y agoAccording to most work contracts / NDAs you wouldn't be allowed to keep private copies of work email. If you are willing to violate that rule or the message affects your work contract which you are of course allowed to archive at least in zulip chat that's very simple (for a software person). They have a straightforward REST API. IIRC you can even choose between markdown source and HTML rendered output.
- crysin 2y agoThis seems risky, I'm not a lawyer but BCC company emails to personal account seems like a nice way to pave a highway for the company's legal team to request court ordered access to your personal affairs.
- fakedang 2y agoChat is a paper trail in finance at least. For regulatory purposes, bank personnel are not allowed to delete even their WhatsApp and other text messaging app info from their phones.
- fauigerzigerk 2y ago>Why is chat not a paper trail? Many reasons. First, chat doesn't exist. What exists is scores of incompatible chat apps. I use WhatsApp but I consider WhatsApp messages throwaway because I keep losing them anyway. They are scattered across multiple phones with no way to merge them. Backups are platform specific. Exports don't contain any metadata and can't be imported. "Chat" is a useless mess, not a paper trail. For email, I have consistent backups with metadata across many email providers and email clients going back to 2008.