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I think this underrates how many emails are literally just replies of "sounds good". Small snippet replies seem to be the vast majority of automatically suggest

I think this underrates how many emails are literally just replies of "sounds good". Small snippet replies seem to be the vast majority of automatically suggested responses in gmail

Boldened15 2y ago
Email is a dated form of communication, that's why every other message platform will let you just like and heart stuff.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  I have 5000+ unread items. I've skimmed maybe 50% of them, but not enough to consider them "read". It's 99% bullshit. Even legitimate email is spam these days. I'm too busy with other fake work to need to additional fake work managing pointless email comms.
  - XorNot 2y ago
    I've adopted the inbox zero approach. If it's important it gets reclassified onto my task list with start and end dates, if it's useful info it gets filed, and everything else goes into trash. At this point I am thinking my Thunderbird should probably just unify the Inbox view and the Task view, since it would be a more accurate representation of how I view email.
    - apsurd 2y ago
      I thought just now, isn't inbox zero just a cosmetic difference? For you: important things become tasks, useful things are filed, and everything else gets trashed. For me: important things get opened and replied to. Useful things are starred (and opened). Everything else stays untouched. And that pesky unread number is irrelevant because I mute all notifications. I'm not discounting your method, I am just now realizing the circle of it all.
      - have_faith 2y ago
        There's a UX difference: when you look at your inbox from fresh you have to remember which ones you purposefully ignored because they were left unread in the inbox (this might be trivial for you if you're used to it). I practice inbox zero also, the value for me is knowing that if it's in my inbox it's because it requires actioning, if it's not it's ignored (deleted or archived). I also just generally like deleting things as much as possible, I don't like the cruft. If I have to search through old emails I don't have to filter by stars or anything like that, I like knowing that if it exists it's because it's important.
- omeid2 2y ago
  "serious business" and "serious stuff" still happens over email, and in the same way, even "more serious business stuff" happens over snail mail still.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  It's a paper trail for me. Companies, as we saw recently, can do whatever they want on company chat platforms. Emails are nearly impossible to fully delete if they ever have to escalate to a lawsuit, and can (YMMV based on policy) let you BCC important trails to your personal email.
  - gruez 2y ago
    If it's that important you can screenshot it. If you're BCCing every email you sent to your personal email that is (or should be) an IT policy violation.
    - be_erik 2y ago
      It’s no different than using IMAP or POP3 to download your messages. This is the beauty and curse of email. It’s sometimes too transparent. I prefer it.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Yeah. It's not every email (I can probably count the number of times I did this on one hand). But if I feel like they're trying to bury some lead or simply want to CYA, I will try to at least download the email to the local machine (perfectly legimate) and BCC myself (Grey area) as an immitation of 3 backup strategies. I've never had to utilize thar BCC, fortunately. But yes, phone screenshot is another strategy with much less grey area. I'm just becoming more and more paranoid of some potential defense trying to accuse my photo of being doctored, especially with more and more AI tools available.
    - homebrewer 2y ago
      Screenshots are trivial to forge. It is impossible to forge email that has passed through a server with proper DKIM setup.
      - gruez 2y ago
        At least on office365 internal emails aren't DKIM signed.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  Well, Microsoft did add "reactions" to Outlook and has been universally hated for it.
  - gmueckl 2y ago
    Wasn't the hate because of a botched implementation that ended up spamming the original sender or something?
    - mrweasel 2y ago
      Yeah, the reactions are just email messages with special headers, which as you say ends up spamming people who don't use Outlook. I think the hate was a mix of reaction to bad implementation and the concept in general.
- BryantD 2y ago
  Outlook now lets me like and heart emails, which feels weird but there it is.
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  I conduct all of my business either in person, via email, or by phone. I use email when I want a paper trail.
bambax 2y ago
A reply of "sounds good" means the initial email has been read and its contents agreed upon. Ho would AI improve upon this? - sending "sounds good" even when the recipient hasn't, in fact, read the initial email => catastrophic alternative - writing an elaborate email explaining in luxurious details why it in fact sounds good => not catastrophic, but costing time on the other side to read and understand, with zero added value
- madethisnow 2y ago
  it would be the delivery of the information and its context in the whole of your other content analyzed
otikik 2y ago
Sounds good.

I think this underrates how many emails are literally just replies of "sounds good". Small snippet replies seem to be the vast majority of automatically suggested responses in gmail

Boldened15 2y ago

Email is a dated form of communication, that's why every other message platform will let you just like and heart stuff.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago
I have 5000+ unread items. I've skimmed maybe 50% of them, but not enough to consider them "read". It's 99% bullshit. Even legitimate email is spam these days. I'm too busy with other fake work to need to additional fake work managing pointless email comms.
- XorNot 2y ago
  I've adopted the inbox zero approach. If it's important it gets reclassified onto my task list with start and end dates, if it's useful info it gets filed, and everything else goes into trash. At this point I am thinking my Thunderbird should probably just unify the Inbox view and the Task view, since it would be a more accurate representation of how I view email.
  - apsurd 2y ago
    I thought just now, isn't inbox zero just a cosmetic difference? For you: important things become tasks, useful things are filed, and everything else gets trashed. For me: important things get opened and replied to. Useful things are starred (and opened). Everything else stays untouched. And that pesky unread number is irrelevant because I mute all notifications. I'm not discounting your method, I am just now realizing the circle of it all.
    - have_faith 2y ago
      There's a UX difference: when you look at your inbox from fresh you have to remember which ones you purposefully ignored because they were left unread in the inbox (this might be trivial for you if you're used to it). I practice inbox zero also, the value for me is knowing that if it's in my inbox it's because it requires actioning, if it's not it's ignored (deleted or archived). I also just generally like deleting things as much as possible, I don't like the cruft. If I have to search through old emails I don't have to filter by stars or anything like that, I like knowing that if it exists it's because it's important.
omeid2 2y ago
"serious business" and "serious stuff" still happens over email, and in the same way, even "more serious business stuff" happens over snail mail still.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
It's a paper trail for me. Companies, as we saw recently, can do whatever they want on company chat platforms. Emails are nearly impossible to fully delete if they ever have to escalate to a lawsuit, and can (YMMV based on policy) let you BCC important trails to your personal email.
- gruez 2y ago
  If it's that important you can screenshot it. If you're BCCing every email you sent to your personal email that is (or should be) an IT policy violation.
  - be_erik 2y ago
    It’s no different than using IMAP or POP3 to download your messages. This is the beauty and curse of email. It’s sometimes too transparent. I prefer it.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Yeah. It's not every email (I can probably count the number of times I did this on one hand). But if I feel like they're trying to bury some lead or simply want to CYA, I will try to at least download the email to the local machine (perfectly legimate) and BCC myself (Grey area) as an immitation of 3 backup strategies. I've never had to utilize thar BCC, fortunately. But yes, phone screenshot is another strategy with much less grey area. I'm just becoming more and more paranoid of some potential defense trying to accuse my photo of being doctored, especially with more and more AI tools available.
  - homebrewer 2y ago
    Screenshots are trivial to forge. It is impossible to forge email that has passed through a server with proper DKIM setup.
    - gruez 2y ago
      At least on office365 internal emails aren't DKIM signed.
mrweasel 2y ago
Well, Microsoft did add "reactions" to Outlook and has been universally hated for it.
- gmueckl 2y ago
  Wasn't the hate because of a botched implementation that ended up spamming the original sender or something?
  - mrweasel 2y ago
    Yeah, the reactions are just email messages with special headers, which as you say ends up spamming people who don't use Outlook. I think the hate was a mix of reaction to bad implementation and the concept in general.
BryantD 2y ago
Outlook now lets me like and heart emails, which feels weird but there it is.
quickthrowman 2y ago
I conduct all of my business either in person, via email, or by phone. I use email when I want a paper trail.

bambax 2y ago

A reply of "sounds good" means the initial email has been read and its contents agreed upon. Ho would AI improve upon this? - sending "sounds good" even when the recipient hasn't, in fact, read the initial email => catastrophic alternative - writing an elaborate email explaining in luxurious details why it in fact sounds good => not catastrophic, but costing time on the other side to read and understand, with zero added value

madethisnow 2y ago
it would be the delivery of the information and its context in the whole of your other content analyzed

otikik 2y ago

Sounds good.