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Indeed so. Renewables had about 15 years of breakneck-pace progress and massive production with huge economies of scale, which I cannot say about nuclear reacto
by nine_k 2y ago
Indeed so. Renewables had about 15 years of breakneck-pace progress and massive production with huge economies of scale, which I cannot say about nuclear reactors.
But even if nukes were somehow very cheap to build, the review process due to high safety requirements and a lack of a standardized reusable reactor design would make the process slow. To become cost-competitive, nuclear reactors need to be mass-produced, using a proven design that needs little review. The French sort of achieved that, with two mass-produced types of reactors.
Renewables as baseload are still problematic though. Solar cells and even wind turbines are not expensive, but the batteries are very expensive, and are a huge fire hazard. It would be interesting to estimate how much would a kWh cost from a nuclear power station, and from an equal-power LiFePO4 battery installation with the capacity of, say, 3 days worth of the rated max power. Batteries can be replaced gradually, but would need to be replaced much sooner.
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If we take a modest nuclear generation unit producing 300 MW of electric power, I'd like to compare it with a battery that can store 300 MW * 3 days of energy from renewable sources. It's 21.6 GWh. With LiFePO4 typical bulk price of $100 per kWh, the upfront cost in batteries alone would be $2.16 billion. It's still lower than nuclear reactor equipment, but very much in the same ballpark.
- threeseed 2y ago> but very much in the same ballpark You need to factor in waste disposal and decommissioning costs for nuclear. And if you are concerned with the fire risks of batteries you may want to think about the impact of serious events with a nuclear reactor. In almost all cases they end up being quite expensive.
- EdwardDiego 2y agoNot like there's a history of steam explosions or hydrogen formation in historical nuclear reactor incidents.
- EdwardDiego 2y ago> but the batteries are very expensive, and are a huge fire hazard Have you seen how the fire risk petroleum presents? It's crazy.
- nine_k 2y agoPetroleum can be successfully extinguished with water and foam. Lithium batteries cannot be extinguished by easy known means; the recommended course of action, AFAIK, is to evacuate and cool the space around the fire, and let the burning finish. This requires very special approaches to the architecture of a battery installation, and likely rather special insurance premiums.