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What could a radical terrorist organization possibily tell Gazans about what happened to their parents that sounds worse than the truth?

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- whatshisface 2y ago
  Right but the truth is that they were just standing in the wrong building or couldn't go without food for long enough, they're going to find out something that simple no matter who runs the schools.
breppp 2y ago
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- jedimind 2y ago
  >something that would cause civilians on oct 7 join en masse a fest of rape there is 0 evidence for "mass rape" on oct7, this has been debunked. Every one of your accusations is a confession: "Israel: UN experts appalled by reported human rights violations against Palestinian women and girls." “We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence,” the experts said. They also noted that photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances were also reportedly taken by the Israeli army and uploaded online." https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un...
- archagon 2y ago
  Somehow it’s considered monstrous to brutally slaughter 1000 Israelis by hand, but OK to murder and starve an order of magnitude (or two) more Gazan civilians using industrialized warfare. I guess if you’re a drone operator with no strong feelings about the murder you’re committing, then it’s totally ethical to do whatever you want as long as some Hamas get hit. What a fantastic cheat code!
  - cbeach 2y ago
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    - archagon 2y ago
      I’m only pointing out the cruel hypocrisy that a missile blowing up a hospital is somehow considered more ethical than a slit throat.
      - breppp 2y ago
        When going house to house in a town and murdering everyone inside your goal is murdering civilians When bombing a military target and hitting civilians around him, your goal is the military target This is both different from an international law as well as a moral standpoint
      - Sabinus 2y ago
        Intentions matter. Bombing a hospital with terrorists operating out of it is a very different act to deliberately and directly targeting civilians for murder and hostage taking.
        GordonS 2y ago
        True... but where were the terrorists? Where was the evidence? Apart from the ludicrous 3D animation that was created before Israel destroyed the first hospital, I haven't seen so much as a shred of credible evidence. Oh, apart from the Arabic calendar that was totally a list of hostages. Nobody seriously believes that every single hospital in Gaza was a hotbed of terrorist activity, especially without evidence. What we have seen, is the IDF illegally setup bases of operation in Gazan hospitals though!
leptons 2y ago
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- whatshisface 2y ago
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Tainnor 2y ago
Something like this maybe? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers
- oa335 2y ago
  I see that one show cited a lot - What in particular about that television show was problematic and “worse” than what Gazans have endured over the past 15 months? Also, how does that compare with Israeli schoolchildren singing about destroying Gaza? https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-singing-annihilate-gaza/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-sing... What sort of military solutions and violence, if any, should be employed to root out that sort of extremism?
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    > Nahoul lectures to the audience that "we will liberate Al-Aqsa from the filth of the criminal Jews." [...] Later, Izz Al-Din from Ramallah calls in and Nahoul suggests that "we will go on Jihad when we grow up > Nassur and Saraa have a disagreement about what the "expulsion" of the "Jews or Zionists" means. Saraa adopts the argument that they should be "chased away" and that "we don't want to do anything to them, just expel them from our land." Nassur, on the other hand, endorses the view that they should be "erased" and that "we want to slaughter them so they will be expelled from our land." Saraa eventually concedes, and the two compromised that "we will expel them from our land using all means, and if they don't want to go peacefully, by words or talking, we'll have to do it by slaughter." No, it's not problematic at all.
    - whatshisface 2y ago
      You know that thousands of children have been killed now right? I'm counting the Israeli children along with the Gazan children. There is no basis for this kind of comparison now that the leadership of both countries have revealed themselves as murderers. Let's have a sense of proportion here...
      - 2y ago

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whatshisface 2y ago
Right but the truth is that they were just standing in the wrong building or couldn't go without food for long enough, they're going to find out something that simple no matter who runs the schools.

breppp 2y ago

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jedimind 2y ago
>something that would cause civilians on oct 7 join en masse a fest of rape there is 0 evidence for "mass rape" on oct7, this has been debunked. Every one of your accusations is a confession: "Israel: UN experts appalled by reported human rights violations against Palestinian women and girls." “We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence,” the experts said. They also noted that photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances were also reportedly taken by the Israeli army and uploaded online." https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un...
archagon 2y ago
Somehow it’s considered monstrous to brutally slaughter 1000 Israelis by hand, but OK to murder and starve an order of magnitude (or two) more Gazan civilians using industrialized warfare. I guess if you’re a drone operator with no strong feelings about the murder you’re committing, then it’s totally ethical to do whatever you want as long as some Hamas get hit. What a fantastic cheat code!
- cbeach 2y ago
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  - archagon 2y ago
    I’m only pointing out the cruel hypocrisy that a missile blowing up a hospital is somehow considered more ethical than a slit throat.
    - breppp 2y ago
      When going house to house in a town and murdering everyone inside your goal is murdering civilians When bombing a military target and hitting civilians around him, your goal is the military target This is both different from an international law as well as a moral standpoint
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      Intentions matter. Bombing a hospital with terrorists operating out of it is a very different act to deliberately and directly targeting civilians for murder and hostage taking.
      - GordonS 2y ago
        True... but where were the terrorists? Where was the evidence? Apart from the ludicrous 3D animation that was created before Israel destroyed the first hospital, I haven't seen so much as a shred of credible evidence. Oh, apart from the Arabic calendar that was totally a list of hostages. Nobody seriously believes that every single hospital in Gaza was a hotbed of terrorist activity, especially without evidence. What we have seen, is the IDF illegally setup bases of operation in Gazan hospitals though!

leptons 2y ago

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whatshisface 2y ago
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Tainnor 2y ago

Something like this maybe? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Pioneers

oa335 2y ago
I see that one show cited a lot - What in particular about that television show was problematic and “worse” than what Gazans have endured over the past 15 months? Also, how does that compare with Israeli schoolchildren singing about destroying Gaza? https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-singing-annihilate-gaza/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-sing... What sort of military solutions and violence, if any, should be employed to root out that sort of extremism?
- Tainnor 2y ago
  > Nahoul lectures to the audience that "we will liberate Al-Aqsa from the filth of the criminal Jews." [...] Later, Izz Al-Din from Ramallah calls in and Nahoul suggests that "we will go on Jihad when we grow up > Nassur and Saraa have a disagreement about what the "expulsion" of the "Jews or Zionists" means. Saraa adopts the argument that they should be "chased away" and that "we don't want to do anything to them, just expel them from our land." Nassur, on the other hand, endorses the view that they should be "erased" and that "we want to slaughter them so they will be expelled from our land." Saraa eventually concedes, and the two compromised that "we will expel them from our land using all means, and if they don't want to go peacefully, by words or talking, we'll have to do it by slaughter." No, it's not problematic at all.
  - whatshisface 2y ago
    You know that thousands of children have been killed now right? I'm counting the Israeli children along with the Gazan children. There is no basis for this kind of comparison now that the leadership of both countries have revealed themselves as murderers. Let's have a sense of proportion here...
    - 2y ago