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Perhaps weakened them from an equipment & infrastructure standpoint - along with the rest of Gaza - but not from a manpower standpoint: https://www.bloomberg.co

by Cyph0n 2y ago

Perhaps weakened them from an equipment & infrastructure standpoint - along with the rest of Gaza - but not from a manpower standpoint: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-14/blinken-says-new-hamas-recruits-have-nearly-replaced-war-losses https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-14/blinken-s... The right way to fight an independence movement is to either do so from within/in a more targeted fashion, or barring that, meet their demands in some shape or form. Escalating the violence to the point where you’re destroying and displacing a people might settle things down in the short term, but the movement will not die, and will more than likely grow.

halflife 2y ago
The difference being that the new manpower has zero experience, is mostly kids and has no leadership. They reverted from a terrorist army, to an unorganized guerilla
- Cyph0n 2y ago
  Sure, but they are at least motivated; anyone would be after witnessing their family, friends, or neighbors being wiped out by “precision” bombing.
  - halflife 2y ago
    No matter how motivated they are, without weapon and training they pose much less risk than an army
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trhway 2y ago
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- Cyph0n 2y ago
  Isis was never a legitimate independence movement. It was an expansionist terrorist group built on - quite literally - terror and anarchy. It worked for a while because the conditions were suitable in Syria and Iraq. A true anti-colonial, independence movement does not die that easily. Across history, freedom & returning to one’s land are the greatest motivators of all.
  - trhway 2y ago
    >Isis was never a legitimate independence movement. It was an expansionist terrorist group built on - quite literally - terror and anarchy. It worked for a while because the conditions were suitable in Syria and Iraq. Yep. HAMAS is the same. >A true anti-colonial, independence movement does not die that easily. Across history, freedom & returning to one’s land are the greatest motivators of all. Yes. That though has no relation to the subject at hands - the terrorist organization HAMAS. I'm sure that when Palestinians produce something looking like a reasonable government/independence movement instead of a terrorist organization their path to full sovereignty would move forward (like it was during Clinton times until they broke it with the second intifada).
    - Cyph0n 2y ago
      Not replying to you specifically; just responding for more open minded readers. Rabin was assassinated for Oslo. The process stopped. The US spoke of a two state solution, while also playing along with settlement expansion. The West Bank is now apartheid swiss cheese. And Gaza is regularly bombed. A peaceful march in Gaza ended in bloodshed and intentional aiming at appendages by IOF snipers. When all avenues towards a lasting solution are blocked, and peaceful protest is suppressed with violence, what would you expect would happen exactly?
      - cnlevy 2y ago
        > A peaceful march in Gaza ended in bloodshed and intentional aiming at appendages by IOF snipers. Could you provide a source, please ? I'm genuinely interested to investigate it

by Cyph0n 2y ago

halflife 2y ago

The difference being that the new manpower has zero experience, is mostly kids and has no leadership. They reverted from a terrorist army, to an unorganized guerilla

Cyph0n 2y ago
Sure, but they are at least motivated; anyone would be after witnessing their family, friends, or neighbors being wiped out by “precision” bombing.
- halflife 2y ago
  No matter how motivated they are, without weapon and training they pose much less risk than an army
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trhway 2y ago

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Cyph0n 2y ago
Isis was never a legitimate independence movement. It was an expansionist terrorist group built on - quite literally - terror and anarchy. It worked for a while because the conditions were suitable in Syria and Iraq. A true anti-colonial, independence movement does not die that easily. Across history, freedom & returning to one’s land are the greatest motivators of all.
- trhway 2y ago
  >Isis was never a legitimate independence movement. It was an expansionist terrorist group built on - quite literally - terror and anarchy. It worked for a while because the conditions were suitable in Syria and Iraq. Yep. HAMAS is the same. >A true anti-colonial, independence movement does not die that easily. Across history, freedom & returning to one’s land are the greatest motivators of all. Yes. That though has no relation to the subject at hands - the terrorist organization HAMAS. I'm sure that when Palestinians produce something looking like a reasonable government/independence movement instead of a terrorist organization their path to full sovereignty would move forward (like it was during Clinton times until they broke it with the second intifada).
  - Cyph0n 2y ago
    Not replying to you specifically; just responding for more open minded readers. Rabin was assassinated for Oslo. The process stopped. The US spoke of a two state solution, while also playing along with settlement expansion. The West Bank is now apartheid swiss cheese. And Gaza is regularly bombed. A peaceful march in Gaza ended in bloodshed and intentional aiming at appendages by IOF snipers. When all avenues towards a lasting solution are blocked, and peaceful protest is suppressed with violence, what would you expect would happen exactly?
    - cnlevy 2y ago
      > A peaceful march in Gaza ended in bloodshed and intentional aiming at appendages by IOF snipers. Could you provide a source, please ? I'm genuinely interested to investigate it