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Yes, eventually. I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.
by null_deref 2y ago
Yes, eventually.
I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.
- throwaway7783 2y ago100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out
- null_deref 2y agoI agree
- jedimind 2y agoThe resistance will not cease to exist until the occupation ceases to exist. Don't leave that last part out
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- throwaway7783 2y ago[flagged]
- halflife 2y ago[flagged]
- zazazache 2y agoWhat is different from Hamas right to exist compared to the IDF or Likud? Hamas certainly has less blood on their hands!
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- throwaway7783 2y agoI know you are being downvoted (not by me). This is a good question, if all the context and history is removed, and we are only looking at who killed more. I am trying to respond in good faith, but it looks like Hamas is accepted across the world as a terrorist organization for specifically targeting civilians. And as much as I loathe the loss of civilian life at the hands of IDF, this is not a conventional war, and Hamas hiding within civilian populations and tunneling under hospitals is on Hamas and not on IDF. Like it happened in history a million times, Hamas could've surrendered against a superior enemy and and returned hostages, to protect its own citizens. So, that's why Hamas must cease to exist. Not Palestine itself, nor another government in Palestine - just Hamas. They could've stopped it, they didn't. Let me know when IDF/Likud behave like this unprovoked (Yes, I know what's going on in West bank and its not remotely close to what Hamas did)
- steinvakt2 2y ago> Hamas could've surrendered against a superior enemy and and returned hostages, to protect its own citizens. And then Israel would keep occupying more and more land, control their water, electricity, treat Palestinian people like sub-humans, occasionally shoot some children in the head, take palestinian hostages/prisoners without legal right (occasionally tortue and rape them). What do you do then? Protest peacefully?
- Aloisius 2y ago> What do you do then? Protest peacefully? Actually attempting to attack legitimate military targets seems like a bare minimum we should demand of pretty much everyone.
- GuB-42 2y ago> What do you do then? Protest peacefully? Yes. What has violence solved here? Thousands of people have died, and Palestinians are not treated better. I am no sure what peaceful protests would have done, but "nothing" is still way better than what we have now.
- pydry 2y ago[flagged]
- Cyph0n 2y agoChina gained even more from this genocidal spree & exercise in ignoring international law. BRICS got a new lease on life. And NDB is shaping up to be a legitimate competitor to the IMF.
- Sabinus 2y ago>This was genocide Please don't abuse this word. If Israel was conducing genocide there wouldn't be Arab Israelis, and the population of Gaza would not grow over time. Ethnic cleansing and insufficient proportionality consideration, likely. Not genocide. The Israelis don't want to remove Palestinians from the face of the earth, they want political and physical safety for the Jews, and history has worked out such that they feel they need an Jewish-majority ethnostate.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoThis is not abuse of the word, complete success is not necessary for genocide to be an appropriate description. https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide This israeli scholar of genocide could see that just a few weeks into this escalation. Why can't you?
- throwaway7783 2y agoFrom the same article > Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. So can we also say Hamas is genocidal? Because complete success is not necessary, intent matters and magnitudes don't matter. Right? My disagreement is just that - We cannot just accuse one side in this unfortunate event.
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- Sabinus 2y agoIn in the modern age ethnostates are distasteful, why can't we all just get along etc, but the Jewish Israelis argue that history has shown they are not safe in other countries and need a state they have political control over.
- throwaway7783 2y agoSo basically all Islamic states in the world as well?
- culi 2y agoIDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do
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- tdeck 2y agoIt helps to have the backing of the US.
- hirvi74 2y agoYou're welcome to try, but I do not believe you will get far. That's the thing with militaries. You kind of have to overpower them in order to get rid of them.
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- grumple 2y ago> officially be labelled as genocidal By whom, legions of anti-American people on the internet?
- culi 2y agoby the International Court of Justice
- stonesthrowaway 2y ago[flagged]
- mkoubaa 2y agoWhatever you think of Hamas, a blockade and/or occupation will result in militant resistance groups. In every single example of human history without a single exception.
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- JohnMakin 2y agoI don't mean to be pessimistic, but how sure are we its over? They're still bombing as we speak - and yea, I know the cease-fire doesn't come into effect sunday, but doesn't that signal something? Many times Israel has said something in these scenarios they've changed their minds. Cease-fire is not "peace," either. I think for some unfortunate people that survived this, the nightmare may just be beginning. I truly hope I am wrong. We live in dark times.
- null_deref 2y agoUnfortunately in the Middle East we aren’t used to peace, when I say the end of the killings I mean the scale of the killings will plummet, unfortunately this region will not see peace yet. This is by far too much for Netanyahu to backtrack, the next president of the USA already made promises that the deal is sealed, and Netanyahu spent the last 15 months telling his base that this kind of deal is not worth it, to go all of this way angering his base and putting his coalition in that risk for nothing will be very odd for me even for Netanyahu